Comments on: The Debate On California's Pot Shops

Morley Safer Reports On Proposition 215

[ianlou]

Why don''t we ask our last two Presidents about the adverse effect of Pot Smoking? How it kills ambition and creativity; I hear they both have first hand knowledge. They say it improved Bill''s Sax playing and gave George Jr. the ability to talk to God.

[rushman71]

Oh, and the behavior of people without it are perfectly normal people, unless you are the kind of person that is used to seeing everyone with abnormal behavior!!! Mentally addicted?!?!?! Give me a friggen break!!!

[rushman71]

I have seen the behaviours of people when they can''''t buy it, whether it is from lack of money or just none available. I have seen people that will go without food so they will have enough money to buy it.
Posted by erasmus6

I am sorry to say this, but that kind of behavior fits perfectly for crackheads or meth addicts, not marijuana smokers. I know quite a number of people who can live life without pot and not have to spend every penny, nickel, and dime of their everyday earnings just to go out and buy pot instead of putting the money for food, clothing, and shelter. There is a big difference!!! Come on, you can do better than that!!!

[erasmus6]

rushman71

"Stop and think about it. If you are smoking it everyday..." posted by ME

Actually you probably can''t stop and think about it, can you? Because you are probably one of those that smokes it everyday and don''t want to stop and think about it because you are mentally dependent.

We all know, or should know, that whether it is alcohol or whatever, if a person is physically or mentally dependent on something, they won''t admit it.

[erasmus6]

I have smoked it for quite a few years now, me being just as sane and intelligent as I was beforehand, and have experienced times without it. The mental dependency towards marijuana that you claim is bogus. If there was such a thing, then crime would be far more higher than it is now, if you think about it." posted by rushman71


No ones talking about "sane or intelligence". How''s your memory? If you say fine, you are lying.

"The mental dependency towards marijuana that you claim is bogus. If there was such a thing, then crime would be far more higher than it is now, if you think about it."

Mental dependency is not bogus, I have seen it with my own eyes with anyone that smokes it everyday. I have seen the behaviours of people when they can''t buy it, whether it is from lack of money or just none available. I have seen people that will go without food so they will have enough money to buy it. Stop and think about it. If you are smoking it everyday, it isn''t just for pleasure, if it is, you have a problem in dealing with LIFE. So if you need to see the world through that filter and you are used to seeing that world through that filter, then going without would be a definite chore for that person.

[erasmus6]

"It isn''''t? Well then, what aspects of reality become different? Red is still red, sweet is still sweet, a dollar is just as hard to earn, most tv shows still suck, gravity still pulls you toward the center of the earth, and corrupt politicians will still sacrifice your life for profit." posted by brianbwb

Hmmm, I am starting to see that you really don''t make sense and don''t know what you are talking about.

[erasmus6]

"They just don''''''''t know the accident was related to marijuana consumption because they rarely do blood tests to find out." Posted by erasmus6

"So the last statement, being pure conjecture on your part, is not verifiable with any empirical evidence, and I should blindly accept it? It is that kind of thinking that gets us, our friends, our loved ones and our children killed in wars over nothing." posted by brianbwb

See unlike you, I make sure I know what I am talking about BEFORE I speak (or post).

My cousin is a cop. My daughter''s best friend''s dad is a cop. My nephew''s girlfriend is a cop. I know for a FACT that they do NOT do bloodtests on everyone that has had an accident. Do you know how much that would cost if they did it for every accident? So unless the person is OBVIOUSLY stoned and no smell of alcohol they ain''t going to do one. They may do a breathalizer test for alcohol but that''s it. Now there may be the odd time where they will do a blood test but not very often.

[rushman71]

nutsie11: I''m right behind ya on that!!! I hear that up there in Canuckland they got some great soil which produces some very potent shiit!!!

[rushman71]

brianbwb: I think erasmus6 is asleep right now. Could you please pass the dubby, dude!!!

[rushman71]

erasmus6: You keep saying that pot forms a mental dependency. Where is the proof. I have smoked it for quite a few years now, me being just as sane and intelligent as I was beforehand, and have experienced times without it. The mental dependency towards marijuana that you claim is bogus. If there was such a thing, then crime would be far more higher than it is now, if you think about it.

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by erasmus6

Actually, I think that we don''t come together on the word ''dependency". I posit that I have never needed, or required (depended on it) it as a prerequisite for anything, therefore I don''t agree with the term "dependency". If you ask, at this point "then why did you use it", my answer is simple, I enjoyed it, much like a good book, or movie. In all the cases I always chose to enjoy, when and how much. If that particular form of enjoyment was unavailable, that fact never became a determining factor in anything for me, other than I would not be doing that particular thing at that time.

[brianbwb-2009]

"By the way, even acid (the real thing, not the stuff adulterated with other drugs) does not alter reality for the vast majority of users..."
Actually that isn''''t true. Posted by erasmus6

It isn''t? Well then, what aspects of reality become different? Red is still red, sweet is still sweet, a dollar is just as hard to earn, most tv shows still suck, gravity still pulls you toward the center of the earth, and corrupt politicians will still sacrifice your life for profit.

"They just don''''t know the accident was related to marijuana consumption because they rarely do blood tests to find out." Posted by erasmus6

"So the last statement, being pure conjecture on your part, is not verifiable with any empirical evidence, and I should blindly accept it? It is that kind of thinking that gets us, our friends, our loved ones and our children killed in wars over nothing.

[erasmus6]

MyIDonCBS

Actually I have to say that I am very disappointed in your post. I have always enjoyed them and thought you had a lot of common sense. I am not bothered by the fact that you disagree with what I say, I am bothered by the fact that you said that I said things that I didn''t. I don''t like it when people twist and turn things that I say or say I said things when I didn''t. Kind of reminds me of radiob, he does the same kind of things.

[erasmus6]

"MyIDonCBS--Because you have said that I said things that I have not, I think that I can take it that you are one of those people that smoke it everyday and are probably mentally addicted."

What I meant to say was: Because you have said that I said things that I have not, I think you are on the DEFENSIVE and that tells me that you probably smoke it everyday and are mentally addicted.

[erasmus6]

"I did use it several times a day, for months at a time (always interrupted by the annual two month "dry season" when none was available." posted by brianbwb

Like I said before, physical dependency is different than mental dependancy. With mental depencency you aren''t going through PHYSICAL withdrawals.

When you went through a two month dry season because none was available, that meant that you had NO CHOICE, you can''t smoke any if there isn''t any to smoke, can you? That doesn''t mean that you were not dependent on it. Most will never admit that they are dependent on anything.

[erasmus6]

brianbwb

"By the way, even acid (the real thing, not the stuff adulterated with other drugs) does not alter reality for the vast majority of users..."

Actually that isn''t true.

"...accident statistics show accidents related to marijuana consumption to be almost non existent."

They just don''t know the accident was related to marijuana consumption because they rarely do blood tests to find out.

[erasmus6]

"Man, I''''ve never heard of anyone "vomiting" from smoking marijuana, and I''''ve known a lot of people who smoked it." posted by veteran71

I have known a couple of people that vomit when smoking marijuana, usually it is when they are drinking with it. When they just drank they didn''t vomit but mixed with smoking, they did.

[erasmus6]

MyIDonCBS

Because you have said that I said things that I have not, I think that I can take it that you are one of those people that smoke it everyday and are probably mentally addicted.

Years ago I lived in a house with a number of people and they all smoked pot. I lived there for several years. I am a VERY observant person and I do know what I am talking about. Another thing I know is that anyone with any kind of dependency or addiction will NEVER admit it. Physical addiction is different than mental addiction.

[erasmus6]

MyIDonCBS

"People eat food every day, and "if you asked them to stop I bet they couldn''''t..."

Are you serious? People eat food because they have to to survive. It isn''t a choice.

"The truth of the matter is, you have to use marijuana several times a day, for a very long time..."

Isn''t that what I said? I don''t think that you read my post very carefully. I said that if you are smoking it EVERYDAY you will become dependent on it. I also said that it wasn''t a physically addictive but it is mentally addictive and that is a FACT. People that are into smoking it everyday will never admit it because they are indeed mentally addicted.


"Medical marijuana is an extremely useful option for the people who are supposed to be using it. It''''s much better for them than taking opiate-based pain pills..."

I agree, but I am not talking about that at all.


"Alcohol use and abuse is a much bigger problem in this country than marijuana use. If you want to worry about misuse of drugs, why not focus on that?"

I have never said that it wasn''t but this story is on marijuana and I am stating my opinion on that. Is that all right with you? Also I haven''t been talking about the MISUSE OF DRUGS. Someone said that marijuana is harmless and didn''t alter your mental state or whatever and I was stating that that wasn''t totally true.

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by MyIDonCBS

Not only can I concur, but I will offer my own experience in the way of anecdote.

In high school, and for years afterward, I did use it several times a day, for months at a time (always interrupted by the annual two month "dry season" when none was available. even then, I was not "dependant on it, if I had it fine, if I didn''t fine.

In the min 80s, I lived in Amsterdam, where it was legal, no problems, and no "dry season". Needless to say, I enjoyed it even more, as the fear of arrest was not present.

Then I started traveling to from Amsterdam to South east Asia,(Indonesia and Singapore) where the penalties are the most severe (including death by hanging, or firing squad, for possession of more than an ounce).

Not wanting to risk it, I haven''t had a single puff from the first day. While I miss it, I don''t "crave it". I know where it is, and how much, but I don''t even go there, I am too high profile to risk it.