Comments on: Brundibar: How The Nazis Conned The World

Used A Children's Opera To Deceive International Observers

[isugrad93]

Thank you, Scott, for sharing two of my favorite quotes. It amazes me that this same type of thinking is still being used today to justify war and the destruction of human life. We have learned nothing from the past and are continuously repeating it. That's why education regarding any human atrocity (slavery, the Holocaust, Darfur)is so neccessary. Maybe someday we, collectively as a world, will finally "get it".

Thank you also, CentristDem, for articulating what frustrated and angered me enough to post here for the first time. You cannot quantify human suffering. Is one group's pain somehow more worthy of our sympathy than another's? What amount of death is acceptable or justifiable? If we begin to look past the numbers and place value on the individual lives, we become more able to comprehend and be appalled by the horror of it. Does it really matter whether is is 6,000 or 600 or 60 who were tortured and murdered? If it was our son, daughter, sister, brother, father, mother or friend, or our own experience, the only number of significance would be that "1".

If certain people want to play the numbers game we could apply it to our own "statistics" in Iraq. Does less troops dead in Iraq than in Viet Nam or WWII make it less tragic? I hope no one thinks so.

"One death is a tragedy. One million is a statistic." Stalin

[isugrad93]

Thank you, Scott, for sharing two of my favorite quotes. It amazes me that this same type of thinking is still being used today to justify war and the destruction of human life. We have learned nothing from the past and are continuously repeating it. That's why education regarding any human atrocity (slavery, the Holocaust, Darfur)is so neccessary. Maybe someday we, collectively as a world, will finally "get it".

Thank you also, CentristDem, for articulating what frustrated and angered me enough to post here for the first time. You cannot quantify human suffering. Is one group's pain somehow more worthy of our sympathy than another's? What amount of death is acceptable or justifiable? If we begin to look past the numbers and place value on the individual lives, we become more able to comprehend and be appalled by the horror of it. Does it really matter whether is is 6,000 or 600 or 60 who were tortured and murdered? If it was our son, daughter, sister, brother, father, mother or friend, or our own experience, the only number of significance would be that "1".

If certain people want to play the numbers game we could apply it to our own "statistics" in Iraq. Does less troops dead in Iraq than in Viet Nam or WWII make it less tragic? I hope no one thinks so.

"One death is a tragedy. One million is a statistic." Stalin

[tuckerndfw]

the holocaust was just an exaggeration...

Posted by themooniac at 10:18 PM : Feb 25, 2007

That is a very likely possibility.

But, how did you conclude I denied the holocaust, am a drunken, Catholic movie producer or friend of Iran?

I noticed you avoided the underlying question in your haste to launch meanignless ad hominiem attacks.

Which is a typical Zionist response. Which is further evidence that promoting the holocaust is more important than the facts.

[themooniac]

truckerndfw = Mel Gibson = holocaust denier = friend of Iran. Yeah, the holocaust was just an exaggeration...

[gunownerdan]

Here is Adolf Hitler's racist gun control law from 1938 banning Jews from owning weapons:

"Jews are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons.
Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.
Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.
Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions...will be punished with imprisonment and a fine.
Berlin, 11 November 1938
Minister of the Interior
Frick" - Nazi Weapons Law of November 11, 1938
http://www.jpfo.org/NaziLawGerman.htm

Hitler made sure the Jews were defenseless before he butchered millions of them!

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to
possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry
arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing."
-- Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Secret Conversations 403 (Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens trans., 1961)

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need
guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State." -- Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's SS leader

http://www.a-human-right.com

[tuckerndfw]

Given all the Zionist propaganda (to deflect their role in the holocaust) it is highly unlikely anyone has an accurate memory of what actually occurred.

Did anyone else ever wonder how it is that if Nazis killed so many Jews, where did all those immmigrants to Palestine come from? You would think they would have had a very difficult time forming a state. Or even wanting a state with so few people to populate it.

Or, maybe the numbers have been dramatically inflated.

[scott4261]

Scott, That's a little over the top, even for you.
Posted by HawkSprings at 07:58 PM

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"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Goering - Nazi

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." - Joseph Goebbels - Hitler's Minister of Propaganda

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Now tell me, Hawk. Is it over the top? George W. Bush is a very dangerous man.

[tuckerndfw]

Who do you think made the following claim:

To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained %u201Cwe must, above all, make it an international political issue.%u201D[1]He wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome %u201Cfinal solution of the Jewish question.%u201D[2]In his %u201CDiaries%u201D, page 19, He stated %u201CAnti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.%u201D


Adolf Hitler? David Duke? Alfred Rosenberg (supervised all death camps in E. Europe)?

No, it was Theodor Herzl, the man who formalized Zionism as a political party in 1897, as it is today.

Zionists were the founding members of the German Nazi party, so it is easy to see how German Nazis could have been seen as Zionists' allies.

Mainly because they were.

Adolf Hitler is the father of modern day Israel.

Reference: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/nazisupport.cfm

[centristdem]

It's depressing how popular it's becoming to whine about commemorations of the Holocaust. The answer to Patrick_Moll, who demands to know why "only" 10% of the war's death matter, is that, of course, no one says that... but no group was the target of an equally systematic attempt to annihilate it and it in particular; with the possible exception of the Gypsies, no one group suffered anything close to the proportional losses of the Jews during the war. Jabberwock11 complains that Jews "milk" the Holocaust. Perhaps Jews don't feel entirely safe when, within living memory of their near extermination, people complain that the Holocaust really didn't matter. And logic07 falls back on the feeble old lie, that the Jews must have done something to Europe to make themselves so hated... doesn't it perhaps make more sense to look at centuries of irrational European antisemitic hysteria for the reason? Certainly, much of what Israel has done with the Palestinians is wrong, but again, have you considered that Jews are determined never to let themselves fall into the hands of anyone, ever again?

I don't intend to respond to, or even read, any responses to this response, but I wanted to make my point. Those who think the Holocaust is such an unimportant distraction might ask themselves, how would you feel if it had happened to you?

[logic07]

Every time I hear of the holocaust, I look at Israel and wonder why a people that has suffered so much can be so callous against their Palestinian neighbors.

I wonder too why the holocaust ever occured? How could a whole nation turn against a whole race of people? Could it be because of centuries of accumulated bad karma?

And it seems to be what is happening in Israel is continuing in that same tradition of creating bad karma. And it's all going to end in some huge disaster sooner or later.

[jabberwock11]

"but why is there never a story done on the Ukrainian famine? "

Because the Ukrainians haven't learned to milk their tragedy for all it's worth. There is a certain skill at that you know. Even slavery isn't milked as much as the holocaust.

[patrick_moll]

It's getting tiresome hearing about the Holocaust. Particularly when a greater holocaust occurred on the Eastern Front and occupied Belarus and Ukraine. But those survivors did not have affluent benefactors.

Why does suffering nearly always have to be portrayed as a Jewish occurrence? The Second World War saw 60 million dead. But only 10% seem to matter.

[nsubs1982]

I think them for giving me the strength to carry on. I understand more and more when I hear from people like them. I tell the students in which I work around that education wasn't free 70 plus years ago. So don't waste it now. I tell them I wasn't only talking about the Civil Rights Movement. I'm talking about Europen Wars. Just beause they were of the Jewsish faith. THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN!

[happytoo-2009]

Those beautiful women and man look like my beloved grandparents. My heart aches for them.

[tootes]

What happened to the Jewish people is pure horror. I don't mean to belittle it in any way, but why is there never a story done on the Ukrainian famine? My parents lived through this and the stories are just as horrifying. The Russians closed off Ukraine's food supplies, burned fields, and about 9 million people died of starvation in a year.

[michaelgdp-2009]

The world wanted to be convinced then in the same way Muslims want to believe now that the holocaust never happened and Christians want to believe that religion, and in particular Christians had nothing to do with it. We seem doomed to repeat it.

[scott4261]

We'd better pay attention. The Nazi playbook has been used by the Bush administration for the past six years...and especially since 9/11.