Comments on: The Duke Case

Lesley Stahl Talks To Parents Of Accused, Prosecution Forensics Expert

[jfmr-2009]

Let's look at the facts. There was no rape, she is a liar and a drug adict working and stripping to get money to buy drugs, with a friend who also is lying to try to make money out of a made up story. The boys, especially one has a time line that can not be disputed because he is INNOCENT, and let's see, the other boy never had a mustasche! She was fishing for someone to pin a made up story on and picked any three boys, which by the way are INNOCENT of ANY wrong doing.

[jfmr-2009]

I still do not understand where the black panters come off going on the Duke campus with guns and made the campus a riot zone.

[jfmr-2009]

I also think that the second stripper should be locked up with the first stripper for saying that a lot of money could be made. She also called a magazine to make a deal and lie so she could make money off of the INNOCENT boys.
Her children should also be taken away from her!
I hope the people in North Carolina wake up and fire Nifong! By now the nation knows these boys are INNOCENT! Stop harassing the families and let them go back to what could some day be "normal" for them, if that is ever possible.

[jfmr-2009]

I think the stripper should be locked up for life for the things she lied about and her children should be taken away from her. All three of which have different fathers. Yeah she's shy and quiet like her cousin is trying to tell everyone, when she takes off her clothes and does drugs and lies to get INNOCENT people in trouble.

[olemiss85]

There is no "but". Hiring a stripper is not illegal. Scummy, in bad taste, morally reprehensible or good clean fun, no matter what your point of view, if the "frat boys" didn't commit a crime, they have no responsibility what so ever in this, none, NONE. When will you get this through your thick head? If I engage in an act, no matter how poor in taste it may appear to someone else, and the people I pay to be involved do so voluntarily and a crime occurs, certainly I could be held responsible under certain circumstances. But the opposite is just as true, if no crime ocurred but one of the voluntary paid participants makes up a crime, then I am not guilty or responsible for the lie created by the one who chose to lie. There is no theory of legal jurisprudence that makes a person guilty of a crime they did not commit. To be charged or indicted is the mechanism by which the process is started. It can end in a number of ways and one is a dismissal of the case when it is clearly apparent a crime did not take place, like when an accuser makes up an allegation. From what experience and position do I base my statements upon that I think you do not possess and has been very obvious from your blogs? Practiced criminal law from BOTH sides for 17 years, in the South. But not Mississippi.

[olemiss85]

"...could have more trust you were fair to both sides if you had said: "WE were BAD, and hired a stripper". rather than ALL the weight of this goes on the stripper. Some modicum of responsibility on the "boys" would be more fair."
Hermie, I did say "If I am a "scumbucket" and hire a stripper...so I equated the fairness to both sides.

[hermit22]

2:27 am post:

"if they didn't rape her then they are not guilty of rape. BUT...."

[hermit22]

Olemiss85, post 5:29am....did you read my 2;27am post?

"If these boys didn't rape her than they are NOT guilty of rape....

[hermit22]

Funny men Jay Leno and D.L.Hugelie, both who can be really right on and say the tough truth in funny ways to make the medicine go down easier, were both laughing like cackling hens over the story Hugelie was telling about TAKING his own 18 year old son to see strippers.This was for his BIRTHDAY. one of the funny names was "Licouris" etc. Would old man Hugelie think it was so funny if someone turned his DAUGHTER in to a stripper? or maybe Leno's wife MAVIS, needs to consider a new career? "whats good for the goose is good for the gander"

[hermit22]

Olemiss85. it is NOT an "idiot question" to put these "boys" into the situation of having the think about their own mothers. maybe they did give thought to their own mothers, and came up with the conclusion that they could do what they wanted to be demeaning of OTHERS, just not to someone that was maybe important to themselves. if those boys had really respected their own mothers, they never would have been in this mess.

[hermit22]

Olemiss85, i could have more trust you were fair to both sides if you had said: "WE were BAD, and hired a stripper". rather than ALL the weight of this goes on the stripper. Some modicum of responsibility on the "boys" would be more fair.

Lots of the posts on this story remind me of that saying, "The cat was hung by an all dog jury." and at the beginning of these posts it seemed NO one was speaking up for the women. cut and dried, the "boys" were innocent....and they had not even gone to court. SCARY.

[hermit22]

if people want to make a case for NOT trusting their courts, i could get on that bandwagon. I do not trust southern law! social services in general need a serious overhaul and any man that ever used that woman NEEDS to get a trouncing. SHE needs to mend her ways certainly, but if men were not excused for "boys would be boys" this NEVER would have happened.

[hermit22]

my thought is that no matter what color anyone is, RAPE and assualt on women and children is covered up by the law on a regular basis. I still think this boorish woman is probably poetic justice to frat houses collectively the nation over. She has probably done more to wake up the "uppities" in college offices across this nation than the general ethics professors in the classrooms. that is a SAD statement....but

[hermit22]

Good Morning Olemiss85, you sure are an earlybird! "No tricks" WHY would ANYBOODY decide who was guilty or not guilty BEFORE the case was actually brought to court? THAT is what scares me, all these people making decisions BEFORE the court case. if people just go by what the media says, when peple are NOT under oath, how do they have confidence what is said is true? even in court, things don't always get straight. and to some the general rule is that the frat guys are innocent, or at least weasling out. how ever would you know what i want to say or not? i don't even know, that is why it seems people should ask questions.Olemiss85, do you think southern people in general trust their courts? or do you think they have seen stuff for years and years that just gives them the shivers if going to court in the south were ever to happen to them?

[olemiss85]

Answers for Hermie's " Questions for the frat guys." Q. I'd like to see what they said when nobody was around....A. %u201C Can you still believe we are charged with anything." Do they think they got set up by others in the frat house? A. %u201Cno, cause we all gave our DNA, every member of the team, so any one who could have set us up took a stupid risk of trying to set us three up if they had really raped her.%u201C Does somebody know something but they just have a code of silence? A. see last Q. Are they really innocent? A. all the evidence says so. Do they have ANY responsibility in this expensive mess? Yes, we hired a bad stripper. Do they trust "southern law"? A. we%u2019ll see. Did they think all this stripper stuff was decent? A. What is decent?, we wanted to see naked women. Is it demeaning to women in the first place, the rest of society? A. yes. Would they want their mother to be a stripper? A. No, of course not. Idiot question.

[olemiss85]

And here is a reposting of the hypothetical facts and sole evidence I ask you to consider in your mock jury deliberations so you don't have to go looking for my previous post. "If I am a "scumbucket" (what ever that is) and I hire a stripper and she later claims I raped her and ejaculated on her and in her and says I didn't use a condom and she goes to the hospital the same day and a rape kit is peformed and DNA is taken from her and the police ask me for a sample and I voluntarily give them one and an independent crime lab performs the neccessary tests and cconcludes that none of my DNA is present, so obviously I didn't rape her as she says, and I say I didn't do it."

[olemiss85]

and please forgive my spelling as it is early and I just awoke and was eager to place my post.

[olemiss85]

Hermie, once again you fail to answer a simple question while you continue to expect answers to yours. I humbly request your answer. Go read my 10:15 pm post, again. Accept, for arguments sake, that everything in that post is the absolute truth, just for arguments sake. Hypothetically. No tricks, no additional evidence, no hidden agenda, just that what is typed there is the evidence and all the evidence and the only evidence...now, since you want this to be settled in court...okay, fine, you are a member of a jury asked to decide guilt beyond a reqasonable doubt. (not innocence, just guilt)A verdict doesn't pronounce someone is innocent only that the governing body bringing the case has not met their burden of proof. Okay, now, how do you vote...guilty or not guilty? And then feel free to say anything you want cause I know you want to anyway. But man, for the love of Mike, just try and see if you can answer "yes" there was a rape or "no" there wasn't. Bssed soley on the limited facts I gave you in my post of 10:15. Can you do that?

[hermit22]

if that frat house would have respected women they never would have been in this mess in the first place.

[crazy-dave2]

Hermit22
1-The law is just fine, it%u2019s the way the rich & the poor misuse it

2-It is what it is, I see no one took the high road

2-The truth is not going change the past, the future is what we decide it%u2019s going to be collectively

3-Only if the outcome serves to enlighten others