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- olemiss85, is it "slanderous" of you to lump me in with David Duke etc.?
you don't seem like a very fair minded person to me. it is like you are willing to protect what ever nasty behavior there was, and your describti0on of that frat party was alot worse than i expected. - Reply to this comment
- how can the jury come up with a true verdict if the lawyers and witnesses don't tell the truth?
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- if old Ben really said its better for 100 guilty to escape justice rather than 1 innocent be mistakenly confined etc. I think Old Ben was NUTS!
maybe thats why you can't walk down the street in many places and be safe because people actually believe what old Ben may have said! - Reply to this comment
- Olemiss85: "there is no greater injustice than for an innocent man to be found guilty of a crime he did not commit"
why wouldn't that be EQUAL to the injustice of NOT finding the guilty for a crime he did commit? - Reply to this comment
- olemiss85, pardon me, if you really can't admit that their frathouse behavior is in poor taste at least, how could you have an open mind, a fair mind about this case in general?
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- Olemiss85, if the behavior at a stripe party is what you described,and if those boys went there for that, those boys are not innocent little choir boys.
in a 1000 years i don't think that sort of behaviour is "innocent". they are like dirty old men, only younger. what is really crazy about this, is how many people may think this is "normal" behavior. - Reply to this comment
- Olemiss85, i thought of that. but i was innocent. the frat house might be innocent of rape, but they did put themselves in a questionable situation. They DID. I already thought of the difference. The frat house WAS into something nasty.they were acting like jackasses. walking down the street IS innocent. drinking and setting up a strip party is not. it may be legal, but it is not innocent.
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- There is nothing allowed by law or society that justifies a person to be robbed against there will or accused falsely of a crime they did not committ.
Posted by olemiss85 at 01:43 AM : Jan 21, 2007
forgive me, it is late. I meant "their" not "there" in my blog above. I am certain "there" are other grammtical and spellingesque errors pesent. Please judge the content and not the prose. Thank you. Olemiss85 - Reply to this comment
- And the First Amenment exists so you can say what you think so long as your speech is not designed to incite physical harm or retribution. No matter how dumb, lame, illogical, indefensible and ..just plain stupid it is. I once commented in a politcal science class that I wish the KKK could't obtain permits to march in public. My professor quite correctly said "oh no, we are better for it. For then we can keep an eye on those who espout hatred and anger. In this way, we who are trully freedom loving people , know who to protect ourselves from..." Knowing that the functionally illiterates of the world are here blogging away idiotically, making their ignorance known for all to see, makes us a stronger and safer society. I would rather see the Black Panthers march and the David Dukes rant and the Hermies get it continually wrong, than have them lurk in the dark of the night, undetected and unfettered in promulgating their messages of hate, discord and/or ignorance , so that peaceful freedom loving citizens know who not to allow on juries and who not to vote for.
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- do you think more people would trust "the law" if the lawyers insisted on the truth no matter how ugly, rather than doing what ever it takes to win a case?
Posted by Hermit22 at 08:17 PM : Jan 20, 2007
A criminal attorney's duty is represent his client zealously and hold the State responsible for proving an accused's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. A prosecutor's job is to bring charges warranted by competent evidence and to dismiss a case when such does not exist. A jury's job is to render a verdict. Verdict is from Latin which means "to speak the truth". 90% to 95% of all cases are pleas because for the most part the state arrests the correct person. There is no greater injustice than for an innocent man to be found guilty of a crime he did not commit. The small number of cases that go to trial put the state to the test to make sure that this does not occur. In most every other legal system in the world, the burden of proving the case is on the defendant. Right or wrong it is the system we have. I choose to believe that living in a free society, that our system, flawed because humans are involved, is the best and that our founding fathers got it right. The fourth fifth and sixth amendments are there to protect us from false accusations and over zealous prosecutors. And remember this... "it is better [one hundred] guilty Persons should escape(justice) than that one innocent Person should suffer." Benjamin Franklin - Reply to this comment
- olemiss85, what i like about you is, that after all this beating on the keyboards you are finally coming around to admiting things like "in poor taste".it was like pulling hen's teeth but....
Do not,DO NOT, FOR A SECOND, that I am coming around to a point of view that you hold that is both illogical and indefensible. - Reply to this comment
- WHAT does anybody do to 'DESERVE" being beaten etc and robbed in the middle of the day in the south? DUH! nothing.
Posted by Hermit22 at 08:24 PM : Jan 20, 2007
What does anybody do to 'DESERVE" being falsely accused of rape etc in the middle of the night in the south? DUH! nothing.
There is nothing allowed by law or society that justifies a person to be robbed against there will or accused falsely of a crime they did not committ. - Reply to this comment
- Tormenting the tiger? What? The stripper got pissed because perhaps the boys didn't tip her enough or they hurled racial epithets at her and that gave her license to make false accusations? You poke a stick at the tiger, you tease him with meat. Does that make it okay for the zoo keeper to open it's cage and have let it at it's tormentors?Let's say that the lacrosse players called her the most vile names a person of her race and gender could ever be called. Let's say they grabbed their crothes and made lewd comments as the girls danced and disrobed,(and don't forget, they went to the party to make money and voluntarily of their own free will). Let's even go as far as to say they suggested that the girls perform sexual acts on each other.(by the way, this is typical behavior where ever you find strippers...clubs,private parties,etc..it comes with the job) Whatever you can think of...it still does not permit, justify or excuse the accuser of falsely accusing the players of a crime they didn't commit. No more than the police suggesting you did something that gave the robber the right to rob you.Did you deserve to be robbed? You weren't doing anything illegal right? The men here didn't do anything illegal either by throwing a party. Did they deserve to be accused of rape? I hope, I mean I really hope you get this one right.
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- Repost, edited for clarity "the 'detectives' main question was "what we realy want to know, it(sic) what did YOU do to DESERVE this?" DUh!
WHAT does anybody do to 'DESERVE" being beaten etc and robbed in the middle of the day in the south? DUH! nothing. " Hermie, this is your quote. Recognize this? It says that the police wanted to make you responsible for being mugged. That's a ridiculous premise. If you were walking down the middle of the road singing I have thousands in cash on my person, you still should not be mugged. That's exactly the point I have been trying to make to you about the Lacrosse players. They did nothing wrong. They threw a party and hired strippers which is not illegal. You continue to miss the point when your own circumstances demonstrate that you have experienced the same thing. I.E., being implicated as being responsible for the intentional abuse of another. The lacrosse players did not deserve to be falsely accused any more than you deserved to be mugged and then held accountable for the criminal act of another. It's is the same thing.
Whether a strip party is in poor taste or a great evening of fun is immaterial. Don't for a minute imply that my quote involving "poor taste" suggest for a minute I am coming around to you way of viewing this. You are wrong unless you can see that you share the same plight with the Lacrosse players from your experience. - Reply to this comment
- Olemiss85, i was traveling in the south and got beat up and hauled off to the hospital. the only funny thing about the situation was when the cop said something about "you are lucky to have such a thick head"....
really it was the mercy of God i survived my nasty trip in the south. it was an experience tht i wouldn't want again. THAT was when I REALY came to severely distrust southern law.the 'detectives' main question was "what we realy want to know, it what did YOU do to DESERVE this?" DUh! thats when I yelled at that lazy twit to just get out of the hospital. i figured nobody was better than those two duds.
WHAT does anybody do to 'DESERVE" being beaten etc and robbed in the middle of the day in the south? DUH! nothing. - Reply to this comment
- olemiss85, what i like about you is, that after all this beating on the keyboards you are finally coming around to admiting things like "in poor taste".it was like pulling hen's teeth but....
do you think more people would trust "the law" if the lawyers insisted on the truth no matter how ugly, rather than doing what ever it takes to win a case? - Reply to this comment
- HI Olemiss85,2:42pm I can agree with you on "hiring a stripper is not illegal. Scummy,in bad taste, morally reprehensible...." but then we have to part ways on this path again. people have all sorts of responsibility when things may go bad even if they didn't do a "crime". if they didn't rape this woman, good for them. but the frat house should stand up like men and admit they set themselves up for a bad night,got themselves into something nasty,were not decent men that night. They walked too close to the tiger cage and got mauled. was someone tormenting the tiger?
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- Olemiss85, post 2:28pm. you are absolutely right. thank you for pointing that out to me.
my best laugh for the day, thank you! you must have a pretty good sence of humor to wade through all this murk! and still keep swimming.
20 points for Olemiss85! - Reply to this comment
- When this is all over I like to see the President of Duke University be kicked out for judging the boys, all of the boys and condeming them before the facts were even out.
One of the boys was threatened in the court room with his dad standing by his side. Where are the police in that state to let some one get so close the the boys in a court room?
I want the strippers name and face put on all of the newspapers, magazines and television shows that the boys faces have been on. It is about time the country sees the liar! - Reply to this comment
- Since when can a group of blacks (Black Panthers) march on private property Duke University,with guns and threaten INNOCENT people? The state of North Carolina better get a handel on that. The President of Duke should step down or be fired. Now he has invited the boys back to Duke and asked if they would like to rejoin the Lacross team. I don't see that happening. There is no way I would send my son back to a college that did not stand by him and threw him to a crowd which was threatening him.
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