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U.S. Commander Talks To Lara Logan About Iraq, Iran And Stability In The Middle East
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- Whatever General says,we cannot win war in IRAQ as long as we don't win the hearts and minds of IRAQI PEOPLE.We'll never ever be able to win the hearts and minds of IRAQI people as long as UNITED STATES supports the ILLEGAL and UNJUSTIFIED OCCUPATION of PALESTINIAN LAND by those EUROPEANS who were brought into PALESTINE after WWII to occupy the land of PALESTINIAN PEOPLE by force,eventhough those PALESTINIANS didn't help HITLER in anyway to commit the CRIMES and ATROCITIES against them.We are not morally supposed to impose the RACIST and UNJUST CHRISTIAN IDEOLOGY of human beings being GOD-CHOSEN or GOD-NEGLECTED because of being born in a race CHOSEN or NEGLECTED by a RACIST GOD and that's why being either promised a LAND in the MIDDLE EAST or not being promised a SINGLE PENNY from him,on people of other faith.
After the FAILURE of RADICAL CHRISTIANIY in this IRAQI WAR which didn't help the 2nd COMING OF CHRIST,We should start implementing our CONSTITUTION which separates CHURCH from STATE at the govt level and should denounce the ILLEGETIMATE and UNJUSTIFIED EXISTANCE of ISRAEL on the WORLD MAP and should announce that from today onward,HUMAN BEINGS will be treated on the basis of their ACTIONS,they won't be treated as GOD-CHOSEN or GOD-NEGLECTED because of the RACE or FAMILY they are born in. - Reply to this comment
- Patriotic9, below, errs. I suggest that Lora's valuable accent is delightful and enhances her employer's international credibility, after she learns how to ask effective interview questions. We all learn different things at different rates. Lora is on schedule, if she is effectively questioning her each experience, a concept unknown among American news journalists who were not taught how to question their own perceptions. But if she were to learn such valuable knowledge, no government person would allow her to interview them, because of what her questions would reveal. Militaristic power-based governments, such as that of the US, as opposed to reasoning-based institutions, exist on maintaining the ignorance of the unquestioning citizenry, most often through intellectually lazy news journalists who remain clueless of effective questioning process.
May you learn the most knowledge of the most concepts, most efficiently.
DougBuchanan.com - Reply to this comment
- People are not criticizing Lora because of any of her mistakes but because of her NON AMERICAN ENGLISH ACCENT.It's a clear RACISM.
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- Lara Logan = melodramatic questioning. come on little girl, be a newsperson or go start reporting on Suri Cruise, K-Fed, or some other nonsense.
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- It is not the job of the U.S. to "stabilize Iraq and the broader regional dynamic" with the lives of our sons and daughters. Gen. Abizaid is playing to our fears, to Americans' reluctance to leave a problem unsolved, and our abhorrence of "losing." Nowhere in this interview does Gen. Abizaid articulate a strategy for stabilizing the situation, other than to stand there, bleed, and hope for the best. In other words, the Iraqis are dictating the terms of the fight, not us. Gen. Abizaid is letting his pride overrun his good sense. Pulling back from a bad position is not "losing", it is smart.
What makes extremists aggressive is knowing they can so easily draw the U.S. into wars of attrition, where their strengths are leveraged, not ours. - Reply to this comment
- Would I send my son to this war? You might ask would I send him to WW II? Or Vietnam? Maybe you would distinguish those conflicts and whether you would send your son to fight in them. But that question is misdirected in a very important way: I can't command my son to go to war. He has to make that choice. So the better question would be: would I volunteer to fight in Iraq, WW II, Vietnam? Would I volunteer to fight in any war? Respond if drafted? I don%u2019t know. I'm not equivocating, only addressing that it is a hypothetical. To a hypothetical, I can answer, sure I'd fight. But I have nightmares of battle (from my past life as a Jacobite). So how do I feel toward those who do volunteer? Impressed and maturely knowing that many things go into their decision. But I do strongly believe that a country that can't find those men is doomed. The fact that we can find them is one reason why I say there is no failure in Iraq. Objectively, I also believe it for other reasons. An attempt to establish democracy in the Middle East is a bold, brilliant, noble effort, facing a high chance of failure. That's why I greatly respect and admire those who have made the attempt--the Bush administration. They have been resolute, something I have not seen in my lifetime. They may not succeed, for reasons outside their control or fault: traitors on the home front, being a big one. But now those traitors have apparently occupied the high ground. Yet... we're still in Iraq. Why?... I'm waiting.
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- War has also been able to bring about very much. But it is disagreeable to enumerate sad things, no less than changes of government: how many times did it change ever since Ninus, son of Belus, if Ninus really was the first to govern, as my pagan predecessors claim. This is as far as the pen usually goes back among you: it is with the Assyrians, it seems, that world history opens up. We however, who always are reading divine histories, master the subject from the very birth of the world. But now I prefer enjoyable things, for these also undergo change. In a word, if anything was washed away by the sea, burnt down by heaven, swallowed by the earth, or chopped off by the sword, elsewhere a new loan returns that compensates for the loss.
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- 60 Minutes personnel...
Consider learning how to use words that hold their meanings regardless of who states or writes the words.
Did the US military not destabalize Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Somalia, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries?
To learn and propagate useful information, consider interviewing people easily more intelligent than military and DemocanRepublicrat Regime leaders dependent upon fooling gullible people into perceiving that truth is defined within their raw power alone.
Your effort would be noticeable, if your reporters learn how to use words that hold their meanings.
The process to win the wars in Iraq and Afghansistan is laughably easy, but not within the understanding of those who start wars for "stability" or peace.
May you learn the most knowledge of the most concepts, most efficiently.
DougBuchanan.com - Reply to this comment
- Now that the government took whatreallyhappened.com off the web I am forced to read this company line dribble.
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- kesac4650,
Re: "I am also appalled at the level of blatant dishonesty shown in some of the comments, from inventions attributed to Kissinger, to comparing our Government with Nazis."
As appalling as it may be, the similarities is rather striking.
I would like to recommend a film about the U.S. equivalent to the German Reichstag fire, which gave rise to the Nazi movement.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3195658770053494633
God help America. - Reply to this comment
- It's an impossible situation. One that the first President George Bush predicted would occur if we unseated Saddam. Now it is our war and the Arab jihadists have made it their cause celeb. I'm just glad that I'm not the General in charge. Talk about a lose-lose situation! Let's remember that the reasons for Arab distrust and hatred of the West are anchored in the European colonialism of their land, something which we ourselves rebelled against. So why have we supported the vestiges of these political precepts in our foreign policy for the last 50 plus years? Perhaps we should look at those who are principally responsible for electing our politicians. Is the average American voter to blame or is it the average big corporation with vested foreign interests? Perhaps it is both!
Randy Roberts
The Wyneaux of Sonoma, CA - Reply to this comment
- I look forward to watching your usually thought provoking show. Tonight's articles on PTSS and propranolol and on the child composer were exelent.
However, the interview with General Abizaid was so poorly done it seemed like it belong in a tabloid newspaper not on a primetime major network news show.
Lara Logan kept put words in the generals mouth and when he would politely correct her she would simply re-paraphrase the misquote and try again.
When background portion was done the samething tended to happen. The generals statement that if certain thing happened it may degenerate into a civil war was turned into a reputiation of the WhiteHouses statement it was not a civil war.
I am not a linguist, but such a disregard for word like "if" and "may" seems unprofessional atleast and intentionally misleading at worst.
Please try to find an interviewer who alteast pretends to be objective. - Reply to this comment
- Iran has said, again and again, that they would very much want to have a mutually respectful relationship with US. In 2001, after 9-11, they helped US in Afganistan to the degree that everyone on the US negotiating side was completely surprised and indeed welcomed. Soon after their help, they was labelled - Axis of Evil. Then in 2003 they offered a complete package of things to discuss about all grievances, including political and economic, past, present, and future. The state department, and indeed Secretary of State Powell, were very interested and happy to get down and start discussions. Until, *** Cheney and CABAL said ABSOLUTELY NO WAY ... to the State Department and threatened Switzerland for mediating the offer.
Why do we allow our politicans to always keep another supposed 'ENEMY' in the background ready for American media to demonize and therefore the military industry can profit billions from building new arms and weapons - when these supposed enemies actually want to resolve things with us?
As the parasite Michael Ladeen said in 1999 regarding Iran, and I quote, "... we have to antagonize Iran using any means such as human rights, nuclear, supportin terrorism, etc. until the antagonizing makes them angry - then we can go to the American public and tell them that Iran is a threat to us and demonize them." - Reply to this comment
- wildernessgu,
Great point.
We see this kind of "creative journalism" way too often in the Corporate press. - Reply to this comment
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"We are in a period of making it clear to the Iranians that they need to move to help stabilize Iraq and not destabilize it," Abizaid says.
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I hope that he is making this point clear- on his knees, as he has zero standing to tell the Iranians, or anyone else, what to do.
He should consider apologizing for disgracing our military and our country, and start begging for someone to bail him out. - Reply to this comment
- PS: I'm glad President Bush's daughters get to enjoy the night life and soccer in Argentina while our son's and daughters get to fight, suffer, get maimed, and die in Iraq because Saddam tried to kill President Bush's daddy. As Barbara Bush said "You don't mess with the Bushs."
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- Geez,
That was so bad. Almost as bad as Lislie Stalh's last gaff. Come on, I'm a 59 yr
old VietNam Vet, grow up get some progressives
on and talk about issues! I've been watching
your show along time. Get some bright people
not afraid of the conservitive media and do
some new stories about change. Get rid of
the conservitve attitude. - Reply to this comment
- eparkerjr,
I have a few ideas for reducing terrorism:
1) stop participating in it (see U.S. foreign policy)
2) stop providing legitimate grievances to extremists (ditto)
3) stop wasting billions upon billions of U.S. tax dollar welfare payments which support the State-terrorism campaigns of morally bankrupted countries like Israel. (see item #2)
4) demonstrate some respect for the rule of law and common decency - Reply to this comment
- "So, aren't we already at a war with Iran through its proxies in Iraq?" Logan asks.
Abizaid says no. Then...
"...more American soldiers are being killed in Baghdad by Shiite militias backed by Iran than by Sunni insurgents today," Logan says.
Abizaid says no. Then...
"But would you concede that Iranians are helping to kill American soldiers in Iraq?" Logan asks.
Abizaid says no. Then Logan summarizes his statements as...
"Which at the end of the day means their [Iranian] money, their weapons are support %u2013 is helping to kill American soldiers in Iraq," Logan notes.
That's not what he said, no Ms. Logan.
She was antagonistic and pushed an anti-Iran agenda. - Reply to this comment
- My first question is "Why is the commander of all U.S. forces in the Middle East (Gen. Abizaid) headquartered in Tampa, Fla.?" Leading a war in the Middle East, shouldn't he be headquartered in the Middle East. I guess his family doesn't suffer separation of family and friends. Generals Eisenhour, Patton, Marshall, MaCarthur didn't lead wars from the USA. They led our troops from the war zones. Patton, Marshall, MaCarthur personally engaged in combat.
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