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48 Hours Investigates The U.S. Student Jailed In Italy For Her Roommate's Murder

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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
Would I be correct in assuming that the strategic plan is to uncover crucial evidence which will result in the freeing of Amanda Knox based on a legal technicality?
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2006/01/simon_says.html
%u201C12. On information and belief Rimland and Ciolino had a close personal and professional relationship which included Rimland representing Ciolino on a criminal charge of Assault filed in case #00-5-005307 in the Fifth District Circuit Court of Cook County.%u201D
Interesting, %u201CCiolino on a criminal charge of Assault%u201D it says
%u201C14. In 1999 Jack Rimland was the President of the Illinois Attorneys for Criminal Justice. On May 7, 1999, while purporting to be representing Alstory Simon, he presented awards to David Protess, Paul Ciolino and five (5) students for their actions in freeing Anthony Porter and developing evidence against his client. Rimland, in presenting these awards stated: %u201CDavid Protess and his students utilized their talents as investigative journalists and successfully uncovered crucial evidence resulting in the freeing of Anthony Porter%u201D. (See May 21, 1999 Inside Medill News attached as Exhibit 43).%u201D


Interesting, it says %u201CDavid Protess and his students utilized their talents as investigative journalists and successfully uncovered crucial evidence resulting in the freeing of Anthony Porter%u201D.
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by streetg1 April 13, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
Why is this story told in such a "choppy" manner? Give us the facts... then run with the "theories".
Why was the fact that the girl had *** (scientific evidence) prior to her death not brought out? Signs of trama? Skin under fingernails? All of these show DNA. The knife was shared by the roomates. Obviously DNA of various people will be on it. What was the length of the murder weapon?
I also want to point out that this was a roommate. A roommate that shared the rent every month. Sharing an apartment does not imply that you are "best of friends" or not. It is a living arrangement. Amanda Knox is a 20 year old studying & with her first serious boyfriend. Everything in her world revolved aroung these two things. This is why you saw them "shopping" the next day. They wanted to get back to "them" rather tan someone with whom she didn''t even stay under the same roof with. They are 20 year olds in love... you can see it in the photos & video. Why would she risk all of that?
She''s an American girl who did what was "the right thing to do" in the States & is now trapped by authorities who don''t know what to do without embarrassing themselves for lack of proper procedure & knowledge. Where is the US Embassy in all this? Poor girl is taking the "fall" for being American.
How can we help?
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 5:36 PM EDT
"And until Guede was offered a deal to implicate her and her boyfriend, he denied knowing either of them. Wait for evidence, not innuendo."

Some readers here maintained that we should wait for the law to take its course, but it seems the Knox campaign manager decided the put the cart in front of the horse and run a public relations campaign, cyclically releasing the message "Amanda Knox is innocent".
Never mind that the indicators show a very different picture.

Is Knox certain that by trying to pull the wool over everyone''s eyes more sympathies are won than antipathies?

The victim is Meredith Kercher and not Amanda Knox.
Amanda Knox is the person who might be found guilty or not guilty. Stop interfering with due processes. Stop defrauding the public of honest news.
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 5:12 PM EDT
The interview should have focused on whether he had ever been contacted by either the Mellas or the Knox family or if he had ever contacted them.

Is there going to be a S100000 dollar fee for getting Knox off?
According to google that is what he charged in one case.

However, considering the minimal possibility of getting her case derailed his fee might be much higher.

Does anyone know how much O. J. Simpson paid?
That would be a good guide considering that the two cases are very similar in regards to the chances of obtaining a not guilty verdict.

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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
You scratch my back, I scratch yours might be the publicity arrangement between CBS and Paul Ciolino?

"He is a regular contributor To CBS & FOX News."

The quote is taken from his self promotion material, see below:

IN THE COMPANY OF GIANTS by Paul J. Ciolino - February 14, 2006 - The Ultimate Investigation Guide for Legal Professionals, Activists, Journalists & the Wrongfully Convicted (Paperback)

"About the Author - Paul Ciolino is a life long resident of Chicago. His investigations have resulted in the full pardons of five death row inmates, and three more serving life sentences. His investigations resulted in the historical emptying of the entire death row population of Illinois in 2003. He is a regular contributor To CBS & FOX News. He is a U.S. Army Veteran and has been a private investigator since 1981."
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 2:46 PM EDT
"Tazia, you sound like Paul Ciolino on CBS.

"Look it is quite simple, only a moron thinks Amanda Knox killed Ms Kercher, the Brit media are a disgrace. There was never a shred of evidence against Ms Knox."

Let me ask you straight are you Paul Ciolino the private investigator who was on the CBS show?

Please answer this Tazia."

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To the site administrator of yourlocalguardian.co.uk.

The above post which is addressed to "Tazia" is aimed at identifying the identity of the above poster.

The post might have been made by Mr. Paul Ciolino who might be involved in or who might not be involved in a media campaign.

He holds a law degree but presents himself as private investigator.

In case yourlocalguardian.co.uk receives a request to remove this post, it might be useful to find out who makes that request.

Apparently user generated contend critical of Mr. Paul Ciolino''s theories do disappear form some US sites despite compliance with local laws.

This is a restriction on peoples'' freedom of speech.
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
I noticed that when I post articles some articles seem to get cut off during the posting process resulting in entire parts of the articles vanishing, sometimes even at mid sentence.
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
Would the journalists please stop turning Edda into a television show star.

Are we not forgetting the real issue here?

A person has been brutally murdered.
Meredith had her existence cut short.
Some one did this.

Let justice take its course.

I do not want to see the propaganda by the suspect''s mother, at least wait until after the judgement.

Who actually believes that Amanda Knox was not involved?
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
We should all boycott 48 hours for their complete one sided coverage. They avoided mentioning so many facts against Knox. This manipulation by the media should not be tolerated. Write to the producers!
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
Anyone who believes in freedom of speech, and justice for all should stand up against the fraudulent manipulation of the truth.

Speak out, make your views known, demand honest news and name those who engage in dishonest, manipulated, one sided reporting.

I want the truth, not disguised commercials and misrepresentions.
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
Anyone who believes in freedom of speech, and justice for all should stand up against the fraudulent manipulation of the truth.

Speak out, make your views known, demand honest news and name those who engage in dishonest, manipulated, one sided reporting.

I want the truth, not disguised commercials and misrepresentions.
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
Anyone who believes in freedom of speech, and justice for all should stand up against the fraudulent manipulation of the truth.

Speak out, make your views known, demand honest news and name those who engage in dishonest, manipulated, one sided reporting.

I want the truth, not disguised commercials and misrepresentions.
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
[part two of two, see below]


Personally, I hope that something is terribly amiss and that Knox had nothing to do with the death of Ms. Kercher. Intellectually, I find this highly unlikely. That is not to say that I believe Knox stuck that knife in Ms. Kercher''s neck. On that specific point, who can say? It may be true or it may not be. That opinion does not extend to the question of whether she was in the house. She admitted that she was present, though of course, she later retracted that admission.

Paul are you hoping for genuine justice, or hoping someone goes free who may actually be guilty? And have you given any thought to what the Kercher family has gone through? Or have all your sympathies been used up on Ms. Knox?
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
If people here choose to find some obtuse rationale for every lie served up by the suspects and each new piece of potent evidence that is revealed, well have at it. These are the people who aren''t looking at things objectively, as opposed to those such as myself. Indeed, if there were a shred of anything tangible that pointed to the innocence of the suspects, I would happily make the argument. Interestingly, that has not occurred. There has been a mountain of lies from the suspects. Who could argue otherwise? Not only are their stories patently ridiculous, but they have all supplied more than one version. As to the evidence, I do believe that there will be a veritable mountain of that too, when all is said and done.

Something else I am quite sure of is that, no matter what, certain people will insist on the innocence of those convicted. Those may include the members of the ''Cult of Amanda Knox.'' Perhaps it was that brief, charmingly intoxicated video performance that cast a spell, or the freckle-faced freshness of her girl-next-door look (would you feel the same if she was a 300-lb ogre with bad teeth?), or is it hometown loyalty? Maybe it is simply too unpleasant to accept that a young, successful and seemingly happy student could possibly be involved in such a sordid mess.
[part one of two]
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
The reason why I speak out is that I am recognising that commercial PR and marketing techniques are being used in this case, which like a radio or TV commercial keep repeating the same message.
The message is that Amanda Knox is innocent and had no involvement in this case which is contrary to circumstantial evidence.

I am looking at the case objectively and I do not want to see all these promotional efforts to pervert the cause of justice.

Knox''s promotion effectively lobbies for citizens to contact their congressperson to exert pressure on Italy to prevent or at least interfere with due processes in favour of the suspect.

Do you want that someone who might or might not have had any involvement in a murder walk free, even though they might actually be guilty? Let the Court decide!

The more you lobby, the more others who believe in justice will counter lobby!

As I said, I would like the Court to decide.

I do not want that this case is decided due to the financial capacity of the murder suspect.
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
It is clear that Paul knows a lot about criminal investigations, having a law degree certainly helps.

You also know about electronic marketing, marketing in general, publicity, PR, market segmentation and niche marketing.

Just enter your name into a search engine and it becomes evident that you are using Brand Marketing techniques.

Someone who needs a lawyer is catered for by your lawyer brand, someone who needs a lawyer which can be presented as private investigator can utilise your private investigator brand and avail themselves of your impression management and image management know how as a bonus.

In addition, this has the added advantage that a person who does not have any back ground information will have a different assessment of the information you provide based on whether you are a lawyer or a private investigator.

Some people might think that it is beyond reasonable doubt that Amanda Knox is involved in this murder.
What is not known yet, though they believe, is the extend of her involvement.

I would like the Court system to deal with the case, not Knox''s private army.
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
I bet Amanda''s parents lobbied US senators, congresspersons, US embassy in Italy to stand up for their daughter, but none of them did.

Why?
They know Amanda is not innocent. Why do you firmly believe Guede is "the one"? Because he left fingerprints? So did Amanda! Amanda really did a great job to clean up the crime scene---she left not a single fingerprint in her own room. (Remember, she was living there.) However, Italian forensic still found one of Amanda''s bloody fingerprint at the crime scene, and one stain of her blood blended with Kercher''s blood at the scence.
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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
Mr. Ciolini believes that by dint of being a Jesuit-educated, honor student, Amanda Knox couldn''t have done the things of which she are accused. Would that it were so; that background always determined behavior.

Perhaps someone might remind him that, 30 years ago, a young man who was also a honors student, a promising young legal mind whom many thought might one day be the governor of Washington State, was accused of multiple murders. One of those who, initially, felt that there was no way this former student could have done the things of which he''d been accused, was his friend, the late political reporter, Richard Larson.

However, a jury felt differently, after looking at all the evidence. The looked at the evidence and concluded that indeed, Ted Bundy was a murderer, despite his fine education, high intellect and good connections. Of course, Mr. Bundy showed what sort of lawyer he might have been, by acting as his own attorney - after other resigned - and holding off his own death sentence, for 10 years.

Perhaps, if it goes to trial, a jury will conclude that Amanda Knox was an accessory to murder. There are all sorts of seeming anomalies, in connection with murder and ***, in the human race. People are oftentimes as sick as the secrets they hold. Amanda Knox may not be the "little girl" that her mother believes she still is. The face she presented to her mother, and the face she presented to others, were perhaps quite different.

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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
Is Amanda Knox innocent of character assassination?

What about the consequences resulting from Amanda Knox falsely accusing the bar owner?

Yet, Amanda Knox''s supporters whether paid for their support or not still maintain that she did not lie, or have they changed their stance?

The bar owner was subsequently arrested and jailed for weeks.
Not only that, he was deprived of his income to support his family and even when he was released he was not allowed to open his business for several month. The cost of business leases is a multiple of that for residential space. The result for the bar owner is that he had not been earning an income, while at the same time incurring very high liabilities as a result of having to continue to make lease payments while not having any revenue from his business.

Furthermore, incurring other expenses (loses) such as having food going off in his kitchen and no doubt there would be more cost factors for him. The damage done to the innocent person''s reputation will not doubt have an effect on the success of his business, it could even be fatal for his business and negatively effect future endeavors to get his live back together.

If Amanda Knox did lie once would it be likely that she might have lied more than once?

To anyone who believes in justice please make your thoughts publicly known.
The worst thing that could happen is that we see history repeat itself and letting a murderer go free.
Not another O. J. Simpson case, please.

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by missingpiec1 April 13, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
Those reader who do not want to be told what to think are more likely to use a search engine and do their own research and then they find out that the reporting in the USA is completely different to that in Europe and the Asia Pacific region.
With the US media omitting highly relevant incriminating details and presenting the prime suspect completely differently to what the people in Perugia have to say about Amanda Knox. Someone who lives in the US and only reads the stories publish by the US media, which might be heavily influenced by the hired PR firm could come to the conclusion that Knox is innocent.

I do not live in the US or in Europe for that matter and it is obvious how differently Knox is presented and how the bad information about Knox is either minimised or completely omitted. My advice, if you want the truth use a search engine and read about this case in the media in other countries and see the difference in reporting and make up your own mind.
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