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Man Who Died In New York Wal-Mart Stampede Was Temporary Worker
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- Well I hate to burst your bubble but I am on one of the lowest rungs of the (pay) totem pole and I am definately not being paid to post here.
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- A tradegy indeed, in the frenzy marketed as "Black Friday" to bargain hunters everywhere as well as the obvious cluelessness and morbid obesity of the hapless dude that died. I don''t think Wallmart should pay the ultimate price for stupid people stepping over his body, nor are the stupid people any more responsible for this tragic event. We... well, you anyway, believe the BS sold to you from the high definition/data gathering propaganda/marketing tool in your living room. We''re good little republicons still goose stepping to the Owellian message of the good times Bush was supposed to have brought with him into office... wondering if the next step is off the cliff if you have at least half your wits about you. It certainly gives me a headache to think about it. Wallmart''s not the problem, the system is the problem and only a grassroots solution is going to fix it. Not the politicians, us... just us.
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- So just because this poor man had no crowd training; therefore it is justified in the name of greed to trample him to death? What is wrong with everyone??? A Human life was wrongfully lost all in the name of greed! Just for a led TV??? Excuse me????!!! I am totally sick to death of humanity here in the USA for their so called Bush econmics!!! People get killed over this entitlement bull! We as a whole need to re-learn what this country is all about and it is definitly not LED TV''s; what about teaching our children about love, helping others, about helping the family? The country??? Don''t tell me about how difficult it is to tell your kids no...especially after I had it told to me and I taught it to my chidren and it worked then...get a backbone!!! These children need to learn now especially in this age of unmitigated greed that parents seem to can''t say no too! Get a life!!! After all we have done for you to be where you are now..do us a favour and teach your children the meaning of the word no and why; before they have to learn the ugly hard way from reality and the world!!! GET A CLUE!!! Be A Parent And Not A Buddy to Your Child! Who really is in Charge after all???!!!
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- The part that really got me was when the customers got irate that the store was closing due to the man''s death. That just puts the icing on the cake. Why should one innocent man''s death cause a delay in their self-indulgent frenzy? And this was all in the name of Christmas...the day we celebrate the birth of the Prince of Peace.
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- BRdeckard people like you make me ill.
To the posters that are here for their own agenda, be it politically or racially motivated or just hatred towards Wal-Mart.
The death of Jdimytai Damour has shaken me to my very core because of how he died but the ugly comments from the people on these discussion boards have really drained the last ounce of faith I had in humanity. - Reply to this comment
- Do you really think I get paid enough to "defend anyone?"
I am chosing to speak up for what I believe is right.
Posted by WalMartEmpl at 09:42 PM : Dec 01, 2008
Depends on what you do for Walmart. My sister in law was a Supervisor trainer and recruiter for Walmart she made over 65K/year. (but traveled a lot) One of my sister''s dear friends was/is a district rep for Walmart and lives in the South (NC, I think) she makes over 80K a year. So yes--depending on what you do--it could very well affect your posts. After all, if all the candidates and politicians, big pharm. and the airlines can have shills on the blogs-- Why not Walmart?
There is nothing more damning to a retail company than an indictment in the court of public opinion--Walmart may not care about its employees, but they certainly don''t want to alienate the shoppers. - Reply to this comment
- ..and you know this from first hand experience?
This incident could have happened at any store. It just so happens it happened at Wal-Mart.
I don''''t have to defend anyone. Enough of you have commented on Wal-Mart pay. Do you really think I get paid enough to "defend anyone?"
I am chosing to speak up for what I believe is right.
Posted by WalMartEmpl at 09:42 PM : Dec 01, 2008
Yes, I know this from first hand experience. On black Friday this year, hundreds were made to stand in distinct lines at Target and Security ejected people from the lines and the parking lots who were belligerent or who continually attempted to cut in line. It is amazing what a few uniformed policemen and personnel with earpieces can accomplish. At 6am. 4 lines that snaked around the parking lot were allowed to file into the store in an orderly fashion.
At a WAlmart near me, which was a 24 hour store, various locations had different lines and maps were distributed. For adjunct items for wiis or the garmins, employees, worked the lines, handing out items to those who wanted them, for other items, tickets were given to those first in line. - Reply to this comment
Posted by WalMartEmpl at 09:36 PM : Dec 01, 2008
I was at a Walmart in my own city. I conversed for several hours with strangers--but I could no more identify them later than I could anyone off the street--the fact is, each person who pushed will claim that they were pushed from behind--to expect help in identifying anyone--the police will have to expect that every shopper was in "perp id " mode and made a habit in noting the features of their fellow shoppers.
Why would they? It was enough to read the maps handed out and try to figure out strategy on where to go to get certain items--most people may have noticed a few around them--but almost no one can say who pushed whom and whether those who pushed started it all or were victims of other pushers themselves.
The sad fact is, that if stores are going to have very limited items and use them to attract crowds, they should either use a raffle system, hand out tickets on a first come first served basis or have good security. Walmart wanted those huge crowds--all hungry for bargains--but what they did not seem to want or accept is the responsibility and onus that come when limited supply meets frenzied demand and there are few controls to contain the crowd.- Reply to this comment
- "It has worked well these past years for Target and Best Buy--places that also saw thousands of shoppers."
...and you know this from first hand experience?
This incident could have happened at any store. It just so happens it happened at Wal-Mart.
I don''t have to defend anyone. Enough of you have commented on Wal-Mart pay. Do you really think I get paid enough to "defend anyone?"
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- harbinger09 The post is meant to speak to all of the people who came through the doors. It is possible the people in the front of the line can help identify those who pushed them through the door. It surely took time for 2000 people to build up in that parking lot. While waiting do you think eveyone just stared straight ahead for hours?
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- ..and Wal-Mart was suppose to know 2000 people were going to storm this one store - how?
Posted by WalMartEmpl at 09:32 PM : Dec 01, 2008
Looking for a defense for your employers? They could have applied simple logistics--big discounts--POSSIBLE huge crowd turn out---HUGE crowd turn out--higher need for more security, crowd control and crowd management.----Need for more security--pay the bucks, give out numbers to the first in line and warn shoppers that anyone who caused a disruption, ran, or attempted to accost another shopper would be removed from the store site and or arrested.
It has worked well these past years for Target and Best Buy--places that also saw thousands of shoppers.
Stupid people react AFTER harm is done--Smart people ANTICIPATE and plan for possibilities to minimize harm. - Reply to this comment
- As expected, Wal-Mart is claiming zero reponsibility in the death of the unfortunate employee who was trampled to death in a Wal-Mart store by a stampede lunatic shoppers. Wal-Mart claims the employee was a temp who had no training in crowd control which then raises the question what was this guy doing there anyway?
Maybe he was ordered there by the store manager who was safe at home in bed and away from the "war zone"!
As far as crowd control, Wal-Mart claims there were "security" outside the building which means cameras 40 feet in the air on parking lot lightposts! Wal-Mart''s idea of "security people" are the elderly "greeters" who met you at the front door. Anyone expecting security on the order of heavily armed mercenaries from Blackwater USSA, expects way too much from Wal-Mart!!
So, it is expected that Wal-Mart will wash its greedy hands of the affair and the store manager will get a promotion for generating so much revenue.
SIG HEIL, IT''S JUST BUSINESS!!!, BUSH!!! - Reply to this comment
- No crowd control. Oh, boy. So it was his fault. Now we know.
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- ...and Wal-Mart was suppose to know 2000 people were going to storm this one store - how?
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- Their greed fueled their heard mentality and now they need to "man up" and admit their guilt in Jdimytai''''s death either by being on the front lines and being pushed from behind or being one of the people doing the pushing. They were very ugly that day and God doesn''''t like ugly.
Posted by WalMartEmpl at 09:21 PM : Dec 01, 2008
This part of your post makes no sense. Are you suggesting that the people in the front who were pushed from behind, should have fallen to the ground to be trampled too? Because other than that, their ONLY choice was to keep moving.
You should think before you post-anyone who has worked in crowd control knows that once a crowd is incited to riot or stampede, there is very little anyone except trained personnel can do to stop it--anyone in the crowd who might try to stop it would be the crowd''s next victims. - Reply to this comment
- I''''m curious--where is this "crowd training" given and how does one sign up?
Posted by timbevil at 09:23 PM : Dec 01, 2008
Become a cop or work a security detail--if you have prior experience as a bouncer, maitre dom, parade organizer, etc you may qualify. Cops and security are trained in riot control--part of that is crowd control--so are personnel that work concerts/sports,parades, large event, theatre venues. - Reply to this comment
- I''m curious--where is this "crowd training" given and how does one sign up?
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- Our nation is thing crazy. This life is not about things, People. That''''s what this whole economic recession/depression is about. Greed just killed this man. Nice going, New York. Another fine killing in your midst and not one shot fired. I''''m sure you''''re quite pleased. You got your Christmas presents.
Posted by WhatChange at 07:26 PM : Dec 01, 2008
If not "stuff" a simple shout to panic, a gun shot or anything else would have ended in the same results--the fact is, you do not assemble hundreds or thousands of people together in a competitive free for all without having some sort of security or crowd control. Rallies, parades, games,concerts, amusement parks, etc., ALL have crowd control--they can be cops, security or baffle line systems to contain and direct a crowd---what you cannot have is a "free for all moment" Wal mart was at fault in this for not providing enough security and for failing to contain the crowd which their offers and tactics generated. It is hard to control a mob, riot or stampede--but it is pretty easy to prevent them in the first place--if not--there would have been similar deaths at Best Buy, Targets, and other Walmarts--but there weren''t. - Reply to this comment
- Employees are trained to evacuate customers from the building should the need arise. It is unreasonable to expect all employees to be trained in crowd control. It is the nature of the retail business to have a high turnover so even if employees are trained this could have happened under the circumstances that took place at this store on Friday.
People need to take responsibility for their own actions. The people at this store, Friday morning lost control. No training can prepare you for people breaking down doors and stampeding.
I know the family is hurting but they need to take a step back and look at where the blame really lies if they want to pursue legal action.
This has been the first time there has been a death on Black Friday. The legal beagles obviously want to make an example out of Wal-Mart. How is that right? This could have just as easily happened at any number of other stores. It just so happened that Jdimytai Damour and Wal-Mart got in the way of people who were reacting out of fear and passion that they might not be the first to lay hands on the biggest, bestest, got to have it now, sale item.
Their greed fueled their heard mentality and now they need to "man up" and admit their guilt in Jdimytai''s death either by being on the front lines and being pushed from behind or being one of the people doing the pushing. They were very ugly that day and God doesn''t like ugly. - Reply to this comment
- It''s so reassuring to know there is an ambulance chaser around when something tragic happens.
If Jordan Hecht wants to sue someone let him sue the person who used his/her cell phone to video Jdimytai Damour dying moments, hence depriving him the right to die with dignity then sold that video to the highest bidder. Let him sue all the news outlets for posting that video on the Internet for all the world to see. That video was not newsworthy. It was posted for the shock factor. Let him sue the people that stood there and laughed as Mr. Damour lay there dying. - Reply to this comment
