Comments on: Polygamy Sect Mom's Newborn In Custody

Teen Mother's Second Son, Born This Week, Is In The Custody Of The State

[susanhelit]

The child is still with it''s mother - this is legal housekeeping. Since the mother is a ward of the state, so is the child.

Jeffs nephew could only do a civil suit - the statute of limitations allows a pedophile to rape a child when they are young, and so long as the parents don''t press charges, by the time the child is grown, they can no longer press criminal charges. That is what happened here - and in so many other cases.

[susanhelit]

Oh - and, yes, the FLDS underage pregnancy rate is 58% for these kids, and when you take a look at the statistics given for the underage pregnancy rate of children in foster homes - it''s 1%. If you think about any high school, that shouldn''t shock you that much - while some girls have to drop out due to pregnancy, it''s not anywhere near a quarter, a tenth, let alone FLDSs rate of over half of them!


The mothers were allowed to stay with the kids. When allowed to do so - instead of trying to help the children, to take this chance - they impeded the investigation, told the children to lie, swapped kids to prevent investigators from knowing who was the mother of which children - sad to say, but the mothers clearly showed themselves to be part of the problem, part of the abuse.

I have a daughter. If I ever become so lost, so brainwashed, so beat down as to take her to live somewhere where she will be given to be a *** toy to an older man when she is still a child herself - please, please, PLEASE take my child away from me, protect her if I fail to. No matter how much my brainwashed self cries and lies.

[susanhelit]

Religion, and not bothering the rest of us does not make raping underage girls OK. Simple as that. Our laws regarding freedom of religion do not amount to a blank check to ignore laws - quite the opposite - it means that all people are treated equally under the law, no matter what their religion. A pedophile is a pedophile, even if he claims divine inspiration is behind locking girls in a compound and forcing them to have *** with older men.

[firststate]

The newborn WAS NOT taken away from the mother. This order was just a form of legal housekeeping. The mother, a minor is a ward of the state. Her newborn had been a de facto ward since birth. This order basically just officially added the newborn to the list of children.

One other thing, these children are not placed with foster families. They are in group home settings so that they can have familiar people around them. Some siblings may have been split up, since the women have rearranged their families claiming different children at different times. They''ve lied about their names and ages and have resisted efforts to keep track of their identities.

The child mothers are victims, but the adult mothers go along with the abuse of their daughters. Somehow about 2/3 of the boys disappear at puberty. What happens to them?

[papabc]

agree with most of what''''s happened to these teenagers and young children. however, this little newborn boy should be with his mother, no matter what her age is. she and her baby should be placed with the state - but together. this is so sad.
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Posted by jetlizhan
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Me thinks that this group has been living this way for many-many years. They live in peace and do not bother the rest of us, EXCEPT for their religious practices.

Thought there was Freedom for Religion in the USA and as this group have been around for over 150 years the nthe USA should leave them alone.

Oh! yea... We can not bother the Islam Terrorist religious buildings in the US but we attack the peaceful (non-Islam) ones without mercy

[jetlizhan]

i agree with most of what''s happened to these teenagers and young children. however, this little newborn boy should be with his mother, no matter what her age is. she and her baby should be placed with the state - but together. this is so sad.

[markcfl1]

SusanHelit
I thought your point has been that abuse of children is criminal (of which I agree). Why do you bring up Jeff''s nephew winning a civil suit? Should not that have been criminal, and they could have stopped this alleged abuse earlier. I hope you are not making a stand on this one.

[forthepeopl1]

AMERICANS NEEDS TO STRIKE........NO ONE WORKING FOR A WEEK OR SO WOULD TELL THE GOVERNMENT ONE THING, THEY CANT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT US AMERICANS WORKING FOR THEM AS SLAVES, SO IF EVERYONE WOULD NOT WORK FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS, DONT BUY ANYTHING, DO NOTHING FOR A WEEK SEE HOW FAST THE GOVERNMENT STARTS LISTEN TO US.........COME ON AMERICANS WHAT WAITING FOR BUSH/CHENEY TO DECARE A STATE OF EMERGENCY BEFOR YOU WAKE-UP

AND FOR BLACKWATER, ANYONE THATS WANTS TO GET PAID TO KILL AMERICANS SHOULD BE SHOT THEMSELVES, THEY WORK FOR CHENENY AND CHENENY ONLY. WAIT UNTIL THEY USE THEM TOWARD AMERICANS WHEN THEY DECLAIR A STATE OF EMERGANCY JUST BEFORE THEY STRIKE IRAN

[hbevis]

THE PEOPLE IN THE MORMON CHURCH HAVE NOT CHANGED THEIR WAS OF THINKING SINCE DAY ONE. MANY OF THEM STILL LIVE WITH MORE THAN ONE WIFE. IN THE EYES OF THE CHURCH THEY ARE MARRIED, BUT NOT IN THE EYES OF THE LAW. THEY CAN LIE ALL THEY WANT. BUT IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON. BACK IN THE 1800''s THESE CHURCH PEOPLE WERE CHASED OUT OF SEVERAL STATES AND AFTER A WHILE THEY STOPPED IN UTAH. IN THE MIDDLE OF A DESERT WHERE THEY THRIVED. THEY EVEN TRIED TO GET THE STATE NAMED AFTER THE CHURCH. BUT, THEY DID NOT GET THEIR WAY. IT WAS NAMED AFTER THE UTE INDIANS. SO, SINCE THEY LIVED IN THE MIDDLE OF A DESERT, THE UNITED STATES LET THEM ALONE TO CONTINUE THEIR CULT LIFE STYLE. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN RUN INTO THE PACIFIC OCEAN.

[tomr83]

So are they going to take custody of the City of Detroit? Seems like it''s in worse shape than this group and no one seems to care.

[papabc]

This compound practices what is has for over 100 years. It was based on religion and the way back then.

What right does the government have now to jump into their business as a call from a nosey *****?

[truthalways]

SusanHelit

if you believe the underage teen pregnancy in Texas is 1 %, then you must either be dellusional or check yoru records!!!

some of these women are lieng to be able to stay with their kids....I don''t know what kind of woman you are, but imagine the other women, older or younger, having their little ones taken away from them, as young as 1 yr old....you can be heartless and think it''s just right to take the kids away from the mothers without even giving them a choice.."we will help you stand on your feet if you choose to get away from the abuse and let your kids stay with you"!!!

no choice were given..just "go to shelters" without your kids!!!

any women supporting this has no maternal fiber in them...shame...

[truthalways]

MichelleM99 testimony as an abused Foster child is a powerful one...and I feel sorry for her.. her siblings and parents...

sometimes it makes us wonder, wether we shoudl help young parents to make it instead of splitting them and their kids...coz most of our teenagers end up using drugs, having lots of sexual partners..and the trend lately shooting naked picture of themselves to send on cellphones, internet blogs etc....why not help them instead of having stupid laws..may be some of them are willing to become parents...and learn

instead of pushing them to abortion or sending their kids to foster homes..

I can imagine what the life of these innocent FLDS kids, raised to be obdedient, how much the foster parents will take advantage of them.....shame on Eldorado CPS

[susanhelit]

Some people are hugely misinterpreting this article. The child has NOT been taken away from it''s mother. Not in any way. But, since the mother is underage and in state custody, the child is also automatically in state custody - the judge was just reaffirming this policy. Nothing surprising - especially not news outlets writing headlines designed to make people outraged over nothing.


The children of this cult, just from the little they''ve let slip - let''s see - 60% of the underage girls are pregnant. You can compare that to 1% of the girls in foster care in Texas. While children under 14 in the compound are equally split - boys and girls - children 14-17 - 53 girls, 17 boys! There are 36 missing boys! There are broken bones, evidence of sexual abuse of the boys from a very young age, which shouldn''t surprise anyone who has followed this cult''s history - Jeff''s nephew won a civil suit for his long history of widespread sexual abuse at the hands of the cult leaders.

Texas did exactly the right thing here. It''s not easy, and kudoes to them for doing the right thing even when it was hard, involved a lot of children and a lot of people ready to excuse pedophilia under then guise of religious freedom.

[michellem99-2009]

I learnt to walk. I am legally blind with c/p. I don''t know her. The Dr will ask me family med history. I was as my sister and brother robbed our family.Mum was 16 married Dad and at 17 had me. Dr I don''t know it as I was raised in foster homes. I later changed my full name. I was Michelle M for years. I now took back the full name my parents gave me at my birth. I was 17 and Dad came to visit..I love Dad. I told him* as soon as ye leave I will be beaten becusue ye came to visit me*. The foster mother beat me when I went in the house after Dad left and she tore up my family photds..I was barred from using my birth name in them homes..

[truthalways]

and how many underage teenagers in our society have babies???

How many young chicks goes with older men for money???

Actresses, singers are above the law...Britney Spears'' sister is 16 yrs old, she is pregnant and not married...are they going to take her baby away from her and have guards by her door at the hospital???

if there are child abusers there, why haven''t the officials put as much effort to arrest them, like they did to take all the children away from their mothers??? It''s horrible to abuse children, but it''s worst to take little babes still suckling, away from their moms...these cps women and that woman judge does not have any maternal fiber within them to do that to other women!!

They could have offered the women the choice of staying with their kids away from the men!!! Shame on these cps women and the woman judge who are so heartless...

If these women were born in FLDS and they know the men have been abusing them, what kind of help have CPS offered them to stand on their own and keep their kids...they offered them to go to shelters without their children...Yeah that is a choice!..cut you away from your kids and expect you to trust them!!!

[michellem99-2009]

I am against the foster home system. I really am. I was a foster child..This nation has a problem. They break families up and there is no way the real birth family will know about their loved ones..The state lies to the parents. I know they do. I lived in them. It is a money thing and control. I am appalled that the state can do this to a mother..If they think she can forget her child..that won''t happen she ''members. I was 5 Debby 3 and Phil Jr.1+. We went to different homes. I have never seen their faces,heard Phil''s voice. We grew up. I could not forget Debby my sister. We were close. She is the reason at 2 I

[hbevis]

The ones that I know think that whatever they say is correct and no amount of talk can get them to change their mind. We have a friend that went to a Mormon church for a while. They had 3 daughters and one day some men from the church came by and were asking the girls to tell them what their parents were doing wrong, etc.. That ended the relations with the mormon church real quick. Who do these people think they are anyway. From my point of view they can and will go to H*** in the end..

[hbevis]

Several family lists included dozens of wives and children, including one that listed 21 wives ranging in age from 24 to 79 for a 67-year-old man.

FLDS is a breakaway sect of the mainline Mormon church, which disavowed polygamy more than a century ago.

The Mormon church can claim anything the want to claim, but a good many still have more than one wife. Or their so called wife. They just live together, sleep together, etc..... They call themselves married, just not married in the eyes of the law.

The church is gaining members every year. But these people are looking for something that they don''t have, whatever that may be. They are still just a bunch of people that think they are above the law.... And thinks that GOD is going to bless them when they leave this Earth.
The ones that I know think that whatever they say is correct and no amount of talk can get them to change their mind. We have a friend that went to a Mormon church for a while. They had 3 daughters and one day some men from the church came by and were asking the girls to tell them what their parents were doing wrong, etc.. That ended the relations with the mormon church real quick. Who do these people think they are anyway. From my point of view they can and will go to H*** in the end..

[lochlan-2009]

The government has over-stepped their authority by leaps and bounds. It is going to be the tax payer who has to pay these people back when they rightfully win their lawsuits against the government. I want to see people fired and judges disbarred for this. Luckily they are in Texas, where the majority don''t give two *** about what the representatives did to someone else.