September 17, 2010 10:06 AM

"H.I.V." Was in Monkeys for Millennia: Why Didn't We Get Sick?

By
Neil Katz
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(CBS) The precursor to H.I.V., the virus that causes AIDS, may be older than you think. Way older.

According to new research,  simian immunodeficiency virus (S.I.V.) has been in monkeys for millennia, potentially putting humans at risk for the last 32,000 years and possibly much longer.

And yet, for all that time, humans didn't get sick in mass. Only in the 20th century did H.I.V. become a global scourge that has claimed 25 million lives.

Why?

According to the New York Times, for as long as monkeys have had S.I.V., humans who have butchered them have put themselves at risk of infection from a mutated form. But because the infected people in Africa were fairly isolated, the chances for an epidemic were small.  That changed, some theorize, with the explosive growth of African cities and wide spread use of cheap syringes.

But the reality is, no one really knows for sure.

The new research does help explain why monkeys who have S.I.V. do not get sick from it - they have had tens of thousands of years to adapt.

In order to track S.I.V. back in time, researchers led by the University of Arizona and the Tucson and Tulane National Primate Research Center looked at the DNA of 79 monkeys from Bioko, a volcanic island off the coast of West Africa.

According to the New York Times, the island was cut off from the mainland 10,000 years ago and six species of monkeys have developed exclusively there. Four of them had S.I.V. That meant the virus was at least 10,000 years old. Scientists then measured how fast the virus mutates and calculated its age at between 32,000 and 78,000 years, the Times reports.

The paper was published in Science.

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by newsterI September 20, 2010 12:46 AM EDT
by croft777 September 18, 2010 11:01 PM EDT
superdorifto.. male animals hump other males to show dominance, there are no gay animals in the world rest assure."

Bullchit, there's studies and research and witnesses who prove otherwise, I have video clips and personal knowlege proving your "dominance" theory is garbage, there's not only animals who prefer their own gender, but there's plenty of proof of inter-species contacts as well.
Why, just a google search for the Dept of Agriculture study on apparently gay rams will find documentation proving the USDA was called upon by sheep ranchers to find a cause and solution as to why some of their very expensive valuable breeding rams refused to breed females and preferred other rams.
When the rams were killed and their brains examined, they did find differences in the "gay" ram's brains the others didn't have. All the technical and biological details are in that published study paper.



Oregon State University (OSU) animal researchers in conjunction with the U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Dubois, Idaho-based Sheep Experiment Station released a report on an OSU-USDA study which was initiated in 1995 after breeders asked the government to determine why some rams bought as breeding studs showed no interest in females. The researchers are working under a $2.8 million grant from the National Institutes of Health in hopes of developing a test which can determine the likelihood of a ram being female-oriented before it is sold as a stud.

By studying difference in the animal's brains after slaughter, the study also showed what could be a biological determiner for what makes a ram male-oriented instead of female-oriented sexually. The scientists' results showed that the anterior preoptic area of the rams' hypothalamus was 50 percent smaller in male-oriented rams as opposed to female oriented rams.

The sheep researchers postulate that low levels of aromatase hormones in the brain of a developing male sheep fetus may have kept the brain from fully masculinizing, leading to sexually male-oriented rams.
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by wasadem1 September 19, 2010 6:52 PM EDT
Thank you superd. You just solved the prison sex puzzle for me.
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by jueni September 19, 2010 3:35 PM EDT
Promiscuity is still taboo in many African societies. Moreover the majority of African's don't eat monkeys. At some stage, time will sweep away the lame religious and racist diversions about AIDS or even the refusal of many specialists to openly admit the fact; HIV/AIDS will be recognized for what it is: a biological weapon. Mind you Africans know that fact, though they may not hold the ground to argue the point.
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by thesevenveils September 19, 2010 7:02 PM EDT
This is correct. God has launched a bio-bomb on the human population because of his anger against all big box major religions.
by lvngtheWay September 19, 2010 12:42 PM EDT
The facts speak for themselves: promiscuous sex endangers those who engage in it. The sexual revolution battlefield is littered with the dead and dying. What will it take for the reality to finally sink in that we are not designed to run amok playing russian roulette libido loco style?
Those who propagate promiscuity are akin to accomplices in spiritual and physical murder. Instead of looking out for the well being of one's neighbor, the mantra is, "If it feels good do it!" And in "doing it" a state of denial exists as to the consequences of selfish pseudo-sexual acts.
?Lust is the craving for salt of a man who is dying of thirst.?
Frederick Buechner
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by newsterI September 20, 2010 1:15 AM EDT
by lvngtheWay September 19, 2010 12:42 PM EDT
The facts speak for themselves: promiscuous sex endangers those who engage in it."

Thats not a fact,

Seasonal epidemics influenza alone,

Influenza epidemics occur yearly during autumn and winter in temperate regions. Illnesses result in hospitalizations and deaths mainly among high-risk groups (the very young, elderly or chronically ill). Worldwide, these annual epidemics result in about three to five million cases of severe illness, and about 250000 to 500000 deaths.

The 1918 pandemic lasted from March 1918 to June 1920, spreading even to the Arctic and remote Pacific islands. Between 50 and 100 million died, making it one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history. An estimated 50 million people, about 3% of the world's population (1.6 billion at the time), died of the disease. 500 million, or 1/3 were infected.

AIDS deaths in 2008 2.0 million

Aids is hardly any worse than any of the myriad of other communicable diseases we have, it has NOTHING to do with "promiscuous" sex and everything to do with not wearing a condom if your partner is another human. You wouldn't shake hands with someone who has the flu and just wiped their nose, why would you have sex with another human w/o a condom?
by newsterI September 20, 2010 1:16 AM EDT
by lvngtheWay September 19, 2010 12:42 PM EDT
The facts speak for themselves: "

Also, the majority of the AIDS/HIV cases are originating in African WOMEN, and from iv drug use, sharing needles and other unhygenic practices having NOTHING to do with sex at all.
by azores61 September 19, 2010 12:40 PM EDT
has anyone ever investigated if someone had sex with one of these monkeys you are accusing..
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by ExiledThought September 19, 2010 9:20 AM EDT
It sounds like none has a clue of how this all began...
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by babooph September 18, 2010 7:59 PM EDT
What were those Africans doing with those monkeys that gave them aids again...?
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by lloydbest1 September 18, 2010 4:07 PM EDT
How sure are we that AIDS is as new a disease as all that? Go back as far as the 17th century and you will find the scientific literature littered with accounts of unexplained wasting diseases that have never been diagnosed. A shocking number of them read, almost sign for sign like the progression of someone who was infected by the HIV virus.
The unusual case of David Carr who died in Manchester, UK in August 1959 is only one example. Examination of Carr's remains in 1990 revealeded an unequivocal case of AIDS and the only reason there is any present doubts is subsequent contamination of his tissue.

There is no reason to assume David Carr was the first ever to have contracted the human form of the acquired immunodeficiency virus. Given the anecdotal accounts of wasting infections spreadable only by close and long term contact whose symptomology is very similar to modern HIV; accounts that go way beyond those found in the earlier mentioned scientific journals and there is every reason to suspect Carr was not.
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by legacyABQ2 September 19, 2010 1:47 AM EDT
Thats a very very good point Lloyd. I think there also might be at play the sort of arrogance of western medicine that, by the 1980's, we in the modern world had "seen"/documented all the major diseases. We always think we know it all, hehe, so were perhapsd surprised because of our own incorrect assumptions.
I think the theory that HIV has been around a long time in *humans* is very sound, though essentially untestable.
by newsterI September 19, 2010 2:41 AM EDT
The story is haunting, the story with LOts wife being changed into a pillar of salt, when she saw the evil cities set ablaze."

LOL you are freaking nuts with that fable, a pillar of salt, oh yeah, what a bunch of BS
by tmittelstaed September 18, 2010 3:09 PM EDT
"...But because the infected people in Africa were fairly isolated, the chances for an epidemic were small. That changed, some theorize, with the explosive growth of African cities and wide spread use of cheap syringes. But the reality is, no one really knows for sure...."

Wow, syringes are the ONLY way that AIDS is spread?!?!

How about, "explosive growth of African cities, widespread SHARING of syringes by drug users, and widespread SHARING of cheap 'hoes"

We had a huge epidemic of syphilis in the US back when brothels were legal and common in the US. Some of the notable victims of this (or victims of the "treatments" for it) were Franz Schubert, Charles VIII of France, Adolph Hitler, Mussolini, Leo Tolstoy, Christopher Columbus, George Washington and Napoleon Bonaparte.
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by h5mind September 18, 2010 1:05 PM EDT
Just a guess, but it's probably because the mad scientists in our military took that long to figure out how to "imagineer" a harmless monkey virus into a lethal, demographic-specific soft kill bio-weapon. Research the Hepatitis C 'vaccine' trials held in NY, Chicago and San Francisco immediately prior to the AIDS outbreak in this country.

Much the same way we had the amazing, first-time-ever combo pack of avian, pig, and human flu all wrapped up in one just last year. If you think this sort of thing "just happens", go back to your TV-- DWTS is starting.
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