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January 12, 2010 12:26 PM

Should the U.S. Expand Nuclear Power?

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In my mind, that's one of the most important numbers in the debate over whether to expand nuclear power in the U.S. The country currently has 104 commercial nuclear plants and these plants provide approximately 20 percent of the electricity for the nation. (The navy also has 103 nuclear reactors).

That's a plant-to-power ratio that's tough to beat. By contrast, the U.S. gets around 49 percent of its electricity from around 614 coal plants, and these coal plants belch carbon dioxide and particulate matter into the atmosphere. Coal mining and burning can also be linked to thousands of deaths annually around the world and shortened life spans.

And, despite all of the rooftops covered in solar panels you see today, solar right now only accounts for around 0.03 percent of power in the U.S. (That's three hundredths of a percent if you don't feel like counting the zeros.

Although pro nuke factoids might sound a little weird coming from someone who works at a research firm dedicated to green technologies, it is difficult to look at America's energy needs for a long time without warming to nuclear. Simply put, nuclear remains one of the most feasible ways right now to produce large amounts power consistently without generating carbon emissions.

Constructing nuclear plants generates emissions, but once erected, the plants produce carbon-free power for decades. And more power will be needed, make no mistake. Despite the huge opportunity for reducing power consumption, electricity demand will continue to spiral upwards. Data centers will replace shopping centers and regional offices as hubs of commerce, but that will mean producing more electricity for all of those computers and storage systems. Electric cars? Great idea for reducing petroleum consumption, but if you fill them up on coal-fired electricity, you get about the same amount of emissions.

The U.S. will need 25 to 30 nuclear plants by 2030 just to stay at the 20 percent figure, according to Christine Todd Whitman, the former governor of New Jersey who is now part of the Case Energy Coalition, a nuclear advocacy group.

To meet the current goals for greenhouse gas emissions, the U.S. would have to build 187 new nuclear plants by 2050, she adds. Despite a ban on new nuclear plants in California , French engineering firm Areva is seeking approval to build two nuclear plants near Fresno. The Electric Power Research Institute expects nuclear to provide 29 percent of U.S. power by 2030. To expand nuclear, Case and others are lobbying Congress to allow "clean" energy rather than just "renewable" energy to qualify for federal loan guarantees under the energy bills.

But what about wind? Wind provides more power than solar panels, but it's even more sporadic and unpredictable. Wind turbines only produce power 20 to 30 percent of the time and often produce power at night when it's not needed. Nuclear plants generate power more than 91 percent of the time, one of the highest uptimes of any source of power, according to my colleague Eric Wesoff who recently wrote a nuclear report.

Energy storage technologies—large battery banks, compressed air, man-made reservoirs—can help solve wind's sporadic nature, but storage is in its infancy.
But don't geothermal and solar thermal power plants—those big mirrors in the desert that turn heat into power-- produce consistent amount of power? Yes. The solar power plants in California's Mojave Desert have produce power consistently for two decades, according to consultant Fred Morse, one of the world's experts on solar thermal. When Mt. Pinatubo blew its top in 1989, the output of power from the sun dimmed a bit, but that's been about the extent of the problems.

But there's a problem of geography. Solar thermal plants need dry, warm heat. Good luck getting one to work in Maine. Geothermal is most promising in the west.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a big advocate of solar thermal, wind and PV panels, as well as efficient use of natural gas and clean coal. But to really reduce carbon emissions quickly, nuclear remains one of the few known knowns. It probably has to be part of the answer. Think of it what goes through your mind when interviewing prospective employees. Sure, Leonardo Da Vinci might be the next person through the door, but it might be more realistic to take one of the five people you've already spoken too.

Nuclear could also generate jobs. Building a reactor can employ 1,200 to 4,000 people, she said and operating a reactor will employ 400 to 700. The total economic output to a community from a single reactor can be as high as $430 million a year, according to Whitman.

Potentially it could even bring back high-end, high-tech jobs. Note that a French company wants to build the plant in California. France's 16 reactors provide 78 percent of its power and the government hopes to make know-how more exportable. Forty four plants are under construction worldwide, Wesoff tells me. In Asia-Pacific, approximately 100 are under construction or planned. The U.S. once led in nuclear technology: retirement has changed that.

There are, of course, major problems, like what to do about nuclear waste. The U.S. could reprocess nuclear waste into fuel, but it would require a change in policy.

A knowledge problem also exists. Expanding nuclear power means educating more engineers and technicians on how to build and operate plants. In turn, that means more people that could be susceptible to bribes and blackmail from less democracy friendly nations. This can't be dismissed lightly. If the Physical Dynamics Research Laboratory in the Netherlands hadn't hired and trained a newly minted PhD named A.Q. Khan back in 1972, Pakistan and North Korea may not have missiles today.

On the same day that Areva announced its Fresno plans, an intelligence report from the International Atomic Energy Agency stated that Iran cut a secret deal to obtain uranium from Kazakhstan.

And on a more prosaic level there is cost. The nuclear industry has a history of drastic cost overruns. The high costs in the past came from the custom nature of plants. Of the 104 plants in the U.S., 95 are based on distinct designs, admits Whitman.

As Amory Lovins of the Rocky Mountain Institute likes to point out, nuclear companies are like defense contractors. Once a project is approved, the cost concerns go out the window. The nuclear industry will hoover in a disproportionate share of any energy bill goodies. If there's a no nukes concert this time, accountants might be in the front rows.

But in the end it will be public sentiment that will decide. So what do you think?

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by SteveK9 January 16, 2010 4:23 PM EST
Yes of course we should. You can't fool mother nature. Eventually logical analysis will lead us to this conclusion. It is becoming more likely each day that the US will not lead on this. China currently (as of a couple of days ago) has 21 nuclear reactors under construction. India has (probably excessively) optimistic plans for nuclear power. S. Korea seems positively delirious with joy at winning the UAE contract. They recently announced that their goal is to gain contracts for the construction of 80 nuclear reactors by 2030 (estimated value $400B). There is actually a plan by a US company to 'import' a Korean reactor---that would be pathetic and depressing beyond description.

Sadly, I think one day we will look around the world and say 'duh' I guess maybe we should build some reactors too. We could be the leader with technologies like the IRF and LFTR but frankly it is not going to happen. We have a government now that is just not effective, except at preserving the short-term needs of CEO's.
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by Tom_Blees January 13, 2010 11:51 PM EST
If you'd like to read all about the IFR, you can read a chapter about it here: ***********/cwvn8n

No, it's not too good to be true. We built and operated one for years, and we've got the design to build a commercial version as soon as we decide to do it. It's all politics now.

IFRs can solve our nuclear "waste" problem and eliminate the need for uranium mining and enrichment for nearly a thousand years, even if we provide all the energy humankind needs just with that one technology. It's passively save so meltdowns aren't an issue, far safer than any system ever deployed or designed.

It blows every old argument against nuclear out of the water.
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by lakota2012 January 14, 2010 2:11 AM EST
Tom, no doubt it is all politics now just like it was in 1994, a very sad year for Dr. Till and his laboratory, and the U.S. citizens, but certainly good for the fossil fuel industry for the past 16 years! Thanks for the great insight with 'Prescription For The Planet.'
by lakota2012 January 13, 2010 8:10 PM EST
by Thomasrex:
"All the cost and performance numbers currently being thrown around, that "prove" that solar is a great enegy source, are pure conjecture, in most cases predictions by solar energy companies who stand to make a ton of money."
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So in other words, capitalism by the fossil fuel industry or the nuclear industry is fine in your book, but just don't let the renewable energy industry like solar or wind make any money.

Sounds very hypocritical to me, considering how huge and how long the fossil fuel industry has had a monopoly on our energy needs!

http://www.solfocus.com/en/index.php
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by lakota2012 January 13, 2010 7:50 PM EST
by OregonJames:
"However, it is simply a fact that nuclear plants cost too much and they create nuclear waste that will be dangerous for centuries at minimum. They are really interesting systems and I believe that nuclear energy has its place, such as military and space applications, but generating electricity for public consumption should not be done with systems as dangerous and dirty as nuclear plants."
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Actually, times have changed with newer nuclear technology, and nuclear IFR's use the waste material from the current older technolgy reactors. The coal-fired electricity plants could be retrofitted with these nuclear IFR's, and emissions would drop to zero.

Also, included in the 4th generation nuclear reactors is the LFTR's using thorium at a much higher efficiency and almost no waste compared to the uranium-fueled reactors that France and the U.S. are currently using.

As much as I like clean and green renewable energy, we cannot retire coal-fired plants without nuclear as well. We need ALL sources of new technology for our future energy needs!


The Integral Fast Reactor (IFR) project: A critical technology for ... - When people say "no nuclear," they really are referring to "second generation nuclear." Everything about the IFR and fourth generation technology is ...
skirsch.com/politics/globalwarming/ifr.htm
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by lakota2012 January 13, 2010 7:13 PM EST
by Marc_1986:
"Why haven't people moved to solar then?"
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They have....in droves! That's why the industry has been growing by 50% per year, and the price of PV has dropped in half in just the last couple of years! Just wait until the newest PV technology -- thin-film PV -- which uses much less silicon material and no support frame, reduces the cost of PV to $1/watt. One of my neighbors has several PV panels from a CA desert test site in the 70's, and after 25 years in the desert and another 10 years in the mountains, they still generate 96% of their rated power.

No moving parts, no maintenance and no emissions -- nothing better!

Your negativity is unfounded marc, and most people today that have taken the leap to PV arrays, are grid-connected without batteries, and produce power during the day when the power companies charge you the most. Dissing renewable energy only shows your ignorance.
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by sefarkas January 17, 2010 2:08 AM EST
"And, despite all of the rooftops covered in solar panels you see today, solar right now only accounts for around 0.03 percent of power in the U.S. (That's three hundredths of a percent if you don't feel like counting the zeros. " Even with your "industry growing 50% per year" remark -- 50% of what? -- If you grew the 0.03 percent by 50% per year for 10 years you would only reach 1.7% of the total amount of electricity demanded by you and the other customers assuming that the economy has zero growth in ten years. PV simply will never achieve the place that coal and nuclear already occupy in providing all of us with electric power. Care to discuss how "an industry" can sustain 50% growth over ten years? Any constraints on the material that makes PV work? Any constraints on where you can put PV panels to provide even 20% of electric power demanded by customers in the United States?
by jeffinpa1234 January 13, 2010 3:37 PM EST
Rather than leave our energy future "blowing in the wind" nuclear is a better alternative than more coal plants. Cost for nuclear plants are high - but can be reduced if you take out all the legal wrangling on where to put it out and just do it! Also the nuclear facility has useful life of at least 50 years or more - a wind mill can be here today and gone next week. And have we explored all the ways to use coal in a clean efficient manner..... I think not. It's our most abundent resource we must find a way to use it and not add Co2 to the climate. Come on America Wake up we are the best in the world at this stuff...... We should have these answers already!
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by lakota2012 January 13, 2010 11:25 AM EST
by Marc_1986:
"Solar panels are the least efficient devices in terms of converting energy."
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Actually, through all your highly-partisan hatred of renewable energy, you're still living in the past like most republiCONS, since the solar/wind industries are growing leaps and bounds, and producing needed jobs here in the U.S. The NREL actually produced PV panels with 41% efficiency, and most PV panels are closer to 20% today, so the technology is constantly moving forward. The absolute beauty of PV is that the panels are warranteed for 25 years and have no moving parts, so will most likely last for many decades with no maintenance.

We need ALL sources of energy for the 21st century, including clean and green renewable energy that republiCONS hate, as well as NEW technology 4th generation IFR/LFTR nuclear -- not the old garbage we've been using like France that creates tons of radioactive waste!

www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes
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by Marc_1986 January 13, 2010 5:30 PM EST
@lakota

Why haven't people moved to solar then? $$$ is the reason.

Not to mention that PV panels rely on batteries to hold and store power during the nighttime or on cloudy days. And if the batteries were affordable and efficient enough we'd all be driving plug-in cars by now. But we aren't.
by lakota2012 January 13, 2010 11:11 AM EST
"As Amory Lovins of the Rocky Mountain Institute likes to point out, nuclear companies are like defense contractors. Once a project is approved, the cost concerns go out the window. The nuclear industry will hoover in a disproportionate share of any energy bill goodies. If there's a no nukes concert this time, accountants might be in the front rows."
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For those of you espousing the low cost of nuclear, get a clue!

Although I think we should immediately spend $3 Billion at the Idaho National Laboratory to build a 4th generation nuclear IFR prototype, nuclear is inheritantly expensive, and needs huge government subsidies to compete with other sources of energy!

I would love to see all the coal-fired energy plants retrofitted with 4th generation IFR/LFTR's within the next 20 years, but don't think this will be cheap!
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by lakota2012 January 13, 2010 10:45 AM EST
"Should the U.S. Expand Nuclear Power?"
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Absolutely, but only with 4th generation nuclear reactors:

http://skirsch.com/politics/globalwarming/ifr.htm

http://www.ossfoundation.us/projects/energy/nuclear


Uranium Is So Last Century - Enter Thorium, The New Green Nuke

www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1
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by lakota2012 January 13, 2010 10:35 AM EST
by stormerF2:
"We have a 13 billion dollar 22 year project at Yucca mountain that will hold from 1000 to a million years of nuclear waste."
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Hardly! You are very ill-informed, and I seriously doubt that Yucca Mtn. will ever open, despite the U.S. having more waste than which will fit in that silly depository.

Instead of pushing OLD technology as republiCONS continue to live in the past, circa 1950's, completely understand that we need to more forward in the 21st century without your prejudices and stupid ideas.

Moving forward includes ALL types of clean and green renewable energy PLUS NEW TECHNOLOGY IFR and LFTR nuclear that is more efficient, safe and produces very little waste. Actually, the IFR's use the current waste as fuel -- the radioactive stuff YOU want to bury forever!

http://skirsch.com/politics/globalwarming/ifr.htm
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