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October 28, 2009 7:50 PM

N.J. Court Says Americans Have No Right To Buy Handguns

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A New Jersey appeals court has concluded that Americans have no Second Amendment right to buy a handgun.

In a case decided last week, the superior court upheld a state law saying that nobody may possess "any handgun" without obtaining law enforcement approval and permission in advance.

That outcome might seem like something of a surprise, especially after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled last year in the D.C. v. Heller case that the Second Amendment guarantees "the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation."

But New Jersey Appellate Division Judge Stephen Skillman wrote on behalf of a unanimous three-judge panel that Heller "has no impact upon the constitutionality of" the state law.

That's because, Skillman said, the Supreme Court did not strike down the District of Columbia's de facto handgun ban but instead simply ordered the city to issue a permit. In other words, while Americans may have the right in general to possess arms, the exact contours of that right have not been mapped, especially as the Second Amendment applies to state laws. (The court's majority opinion last year said: "We therefore assume that petitioners' issuance of a license will satisfy respondent's prayer for relief and do not address the licensing requirement.")

Look for the Supreme Court to revisit this question in a few months when it hears a case called McDonald v. Chicago. It's a constitutional challenge to Chicago's restrictive gun laws, which prohibit anyone from possessing firearms -- even in their homes -- "unless such person is the holder of a valid registration certificate for such firearm."

New Jersey's laws are similar. They say: "No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of, nor receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire a handgun unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder... has first secured a permit to purchase a handgun as provided by this section."

Another section dealing with licensing says: "No person of good character and good repute in the community in which he lives, and who is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in this section or other sections of this chapter, shall be denied a permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card, except as hereinafter set forth." Some of the exceptions involve criminal records, for instance.

What prompted the current lawsuit was a request for a handgun purchase permit that Anthony Dubov submitted to the East Windsor Chief of Police. The police chief denied Dubov's request without giving any reason, in what the appeals court later ruled was a violation of state law. The current East Windsor police chief is William Spain.

Oddly, the trial judge upheld that denial, without asking the police chief to testify to explain himself (another violation of state law) and after taking the unusual step of contacting Dubov's previous employers to ask about his background.

Dubov's attorney, Michael Nieschmidt, argued that the state licensing scheme was unconstitutionally vague and therefore violated the Second Amendment.

Skillman concluded that while the Second Amendment doesn't apply, state law and precedent nevertheless required that Dubov receive more due process than he did. The appeals court wrote: "Accordingly, the trial court's affirmance of the police chief's denial of appellant's application for a firearms purchase permit is reversed, and the case is remanded for an evidentiary hearing in conformity with this opinion."

Declan McCullagh is a correspondent for CBSNews.com. He can be reached at declan@cbsnews.com and is on Twitter as declanm. You can bookmark the Taking Liberties site here, or subscribe to the RSS feed.
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by CBSDrool January 21, 2010 7:26 AM EST
The Second Amendment was 'mapped out' over 230 years ago!..These treasonous activist judges have the audacity of a dope to lie to our faces! Who does that remind you of??

"A government that doesn't trust it's law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust." -- James Madison

"Laws that forbid the carrying of guns...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes....Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailant; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." - Tench Coxe, June 18, 1789

"We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists." - Patrick Henry
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by America_First November 11, 2009 11:46 AM EST
A flintlock musket, if you have a license for it. Not much more. That's what the constitution guarantees. Any firearm designed after 1788 was never considered by our founding fathers.

You think it guarantees more than that? Rocket-Propelled Grenades? Claymore mines? WP rounds? 81mm mortars? Semi-automatic handguns with 20 round magazines? Yeah, right.

Of course, most of the cowards at the NRA couldn't maintain and operate an 18th century flintlock if they had to. But maybe then they might actually read some history, rather than making it up.
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by ygtbsm November 15, 2009 2:44 PM EST
That is about the most ridiculous logic I've ever heard. Why don't you apply it across the board to every aspect of our society then, like abortions (which I'm sure wasn't considered in 1788), freedom of religion (I'm sure they weren't too concerned with Muslim back then, or Wikans for that matter), freedom of speech (I'm sure didn't factor in the internet or TV in 1788 so maybe it shouldn't apply there either).
You need to pull your head out of the sand and do some critical thinking instead of pulling emotional BS out of the air to argue your point.
If you don't think tyranny can ever rise again, you need to only look at the rise of corruption in our government to see that the intent of our founding father's was to keep the people's right to protect themselves against the government, intact.
I am a member of the NRA, have a Master's in Strategic Studies and understand history. It's people with such a shallow argument like yours that endanger this country.
America first? How naive.
by PhucObama November 7, 2009 2:07 PM EST
This is the reason I became a member of the NRA...because of Liberal Idiots that think they know what's best for everyone else. Support the NRA and join...

www.nra.org
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by njcountyofficer November 3, 2009 3:43 PM EST
WRosencratz,

You are so far off knowing police work it's laughable. As a retired LEO the fact is most of our "crime fighting" is after the crime has been committed, we push paperwork. To actually do what you said, "have the citizen call the cops", we would have to place an officer between every 5 houses on a city block to actually protect citizens from crime. It's usually luck and just being in the right place at the right time to actually see a crime in progress.

I strongly suggest you do your homework on the subject before you open your mouth and sound like a total fool.
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by MassenaNick November 3, 2009 1:24 AM EST
I can't believe that someone actually believes that banning all guns will make the our society safer and that the police will actually be able to "protect" them from crime. In countries such as Great Britain, Germany, Mexico(remember this one, we'll come back to it) and Japan to name a few have strict gun laws, the Japanese Olympic shooting team can't even practice in their own country, and these countries also have an increase in crime, not just petty crime but syndicate crime. Let's go back to Mexico who as we know has increased crime and it has strict gun laws, it is essentially a country where only the outlaws have guns and the police are useless or criminal.

No offense to our Police Departments and all and I used to walk the beat, but they are under-funded and overwhelmed now; the increase of crime would probably push some of the goods ones out and well some of the bad apples would rise to the surface, while this seems like an extremist view it is also based on historical evidence so while some may believe that we "creepy" gun advocates are barbarians and we should all hand over our guns and sing *** By Ya while holding hands I prefer the old saying that "you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead, fingers."
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by Virgil-1 November 2, 2009 10:24 AM EST
Another communist court telling Americans what they can and cannot do!
This kind of thinking needs to be stopped at all cost.
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by RD45ACP November 2, 2009 9:45 AM EST
What WRosencratz and all liberals smuggle into the debate, hoping that we do not realize their genuine intentions, is that all gun control is predicated on the state holding a monopoly of force. Gun controller advocates pretend to be nice people who love peace yet, when push comes to shove, they are more than OK with armed men forcibly disarming those with whom liberals disagree and killing all who resist. Liberalism is a blood soaked ideology that openly advocates the murder of those who differ from their views and those that get in the way of their will to power. (This is why liberals quote the murderer Mao and wear T-shirts celebrating the murderer Chi. Birds of a feather flock together!) I quit thinking of gun controllers as nice people a long time ago. Their ideology has murdered upwards of 100 million people in the 20th century alone. There is nothing nice or peace affirming about that. A very wise man once told me this about the American Left: ?The issues are never the issue, the issue is always power.?
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by Rob459 November 1, 2009 11:07 PM EST
WRosencratz, you seriously need to take a history lesson. The right to keep and bear arms was one of the most highly prized rights by FORMER slaves, one of the first violated by the KKK and their ilk (making African Americans and other minorities easier to victimize), and one of the rights most explicitly intended to be protected by the post-civil war amendments (particularly the 14th Amendment) and laws (the Freedmen's Bureau Act and the Civil Rights Act) meant specifically to protect the rights of freedmen of color, and to give them the power to protect themselves and their own rights. Read a book sometime, instead of just swallowing political rhetoric. Start with Akhil Reed Amar's "The Bill of Rights". As one of the most prominent liberal constitutional law scholars in the country (law professor at Yale), he should be a credible source. Or maybe the Federalist Papers (by, with two others, James Madison). I guess the author of the Bill of Rights himself should have a decent perspective on what he himself meant. He made it very explicitly clear that the government had no legal power under the Constitution whatsoever, even ignoring the 2nd Amendment, to disarm the individual citizens of the US.

You're right, we're throwbacks, but to the time immediately AFTER the END of slavery, when all the rights in the US Constitution were held up to be inviolate by anyone, when we passed the 14th Amendment to stop state and local governments from violating the rights of citizens, including, explicitly, the right to arms, in the name of racism, and before "progressive" politicians and judges started eroding away those rights in order to institute the racist reincarnation of virtual slavery that dominated the 20th Century and is still partially with us today. I'd rather be such a throwback than a modern "progressive" who's too uneducated to even know that the laws they defend have as their entire and only legal basis a court decision that had as it's only purpose to set free a group of white supremacists who had committed a mass-murder of African Americans, having disarmed them first (US v. Cruickshank). Thankfully, the Supreme Court is going to finally overturn that travesty of justice this session, and idiots such as Skillman will be forced to respect the rights our Founding Fathers intended to remain untouched.
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by Rob459 November 1, 2009 12:53 PM EST
This is a perfect example of a racist law that is now being abused even further to advanceyhe current anti-gun agenda. These "permission" laws were originally enacted specifically so that minorities could selectively be denied access to weapons with which to defend themselves aginst racist attacks, without having to include racist language, that could be challenged in court, in the written law. Show up in the sheriff's office white, no problem, here's your gun; show up not white, sorry - denied. At least the Southern states had the integrity to admit their laws were intended for such purposes, and repealed them. The Northern states have instead simply taken advantage of the race-neutral language that was necessary to keep theselaws on the books to treat everyone without money or political connections as a second-class citizen.
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by OIF_to_USC November 1, 2009 12:07 AM EDT
I guess Judge Skillman, President Obama and Attorney General Holderman graduated from the same Harvard Law School that says that the U.S. Constitution isn't really supposed to be taken seriously, and that it doesn?t really mean what it says, that it is just a guideline that sometimes gets in the way. Didn't those dingy idiots take the same oath to protect and defend the Constitution that some of us took when we joined the armed forces? You remember, the one where the very first sentence was the following; ?I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.? Imagine that. Every president, senator, representative, agency head, judge, attorney, soldier, sailor, Marine and airman takes pretty much the same oath, and yet, it has an entirely different meaning to different people. You would think that if anybody could get it right, it would be a judge, but they are the biggest abusers of the Constitution and they hold the greatest contempt for our Founding Fathers. No wonder law abiding citizens were given the right to keep and bear arms.
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