The Left's Stupak Stupification
(AP Photo/Susan Walsh)
The amendment would strip away abortion coverage in the public insurance option. Moreover, it also would mean that private plans would be prohibited from extending coverage for abortion procedures if they take in patients who get government subsidies. Offered by Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), the proposal was backed by 64 Democrat lawmakers whose votes secured passage of the House healthcare bill in a 220-215 vote.
Pelosi felt she had to agree to the compromise as the price of moving the process along. Still, the deal infuriated party liberals who described the momentas a rollback of women's reproductive health. Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA). declared it to be "simply outrageous." What's more, the decision reportedly caused some female Congresswomen to weep and led to a shouting match between Connecticut Rep. Rosa DeLauro and California Rep. George Miller, an ally of the House Speaker. Traditional allies like
NARAL and Planned Parenthood responded with promises to lobby to rid that language from any Senate bill.
Just in case she wasn't paying close attention, Pelosi was then put on notice by the Congressional Pro-Choice Caucus which signed a pledge to vote against any conference report that might still contain the Stupak provision. (For the record, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) the House Democrats' chief deputy whip, doesn't think the Stupak amendment will last through the conference committee stage.)
All of this to the delight of conservatives, who quite enjoyed the spectacle of Democrats at each other's throats. Conservatives argued that the Democrats had brought upon themselves by virtue of their effort to expand government's role in the private market. Here's Philip Klein in the American Spectator.
"Currently, women are able to purchase private health care plans that cover abortion because it remains a legal procedure and we still have a private market for the sale of health insurance. But if the House Democratic health care bill becomes law, individuals will only be allowed to purchase health insurance through a government-run exchange. And because millions of Americans will be using government subsidies to purchase insurance through the exchange, suddenly lawmakers get to have a say on what kind of private insurance policies individuals can purchase."
National Review's Ramesh Ponnuru described the moment as a "tremendous victory for pro-lifers, and the size of the vote actually should occasion some comment about the audacity of the Democratic leadership to try to block the overwhelming will of the House."
Ponnuru's schadenfreude notwithstanding, this doesn't mean that the amendment will necessarily wind up in the final healthcare bill. But if they do strip out the language, the Democratic leadership may then lose the support of the so-called centrists in the Senate like Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) Nelson's spokesman told The Hill that any such maneuver is a deal breaker. A bluff? Wrong question. With the Democrats needing every possible vote in the upper chamber, do they want to risk putting him to the test? Don't forget that Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is already on record saying that he plans to filibuster the bill if it contains a public option. Also, (Rep. Joseph Cao (La.), the only Republican who voted for the healthcare bill, said the Stupak amendment was what allowed him to vote for the legislation.
For his part, President Obama could be talking out of both sides of his mouth when it comes to paying for abortion. In a video interview with ABC's Jake Tapper, he said that Congress needs to change abortion-related language in the House bill because "this is a health care bill, not an abortion bill." One should note, however that during his September speech to a joint session of Congress Obama said that under the Democrats' plan "no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.")
If he fails to make good on his word - whatever that word turns out to be - you won't need to wait until New Year's Eve to see fireworks.
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Martin Luthor, a Catholic, led the Huegenots away from the tyranny of the Catholic Church, along with the actions of the papist king of France. They only had their beliefs strengthened by John Calvin's support. They have mistakenly been called Calvinists!!
Yes, Jesus told Peter to form his church, but if you ever took the time to read the Bible, you would see that the Catholic's Papist image of the Church looks nothing like what the Bible says Christ's Church is suppose to look like. For that matter, many Protestant Church's structure is nothing like it either. Politics have invaded both.
The Huegenot's by the way, were originally Goths. You see, my family (the Loucks', originally duLaux) were the first kings of Navarre. That's how I know this. I know my lineage back before Christ was lad. We even show the fact that we fought in the seventh crusades, for the Catholic Church, on our family crest with gold bezants.
Before you start spewing paranoid conspiracy garbage, perhaps you should get your facts straight! Have you ever even spoken to a Huegenot that knows their family history? Of course the French consider us traitors, their economy collapsed when the Huegenots left. You see, we ran most of their country. It's actually humorous when you think about it: we had to go back and save their ***** two hundred and fifty years later during two world wars.
I know that freedom is something that the Catholic doesn't subscribe to, but it was something that Jesus prescribed! If the Catholic church had it's way, the Bible would still be printed in Latin so that only priests could read it, that way they could keep telling everyone what to believe. My family were the first ones to print the Bible in French and then English so that everyone could read it! Isn't it a terrible thing to be able to read God's Word and actually get to know Jesus Christ! I feel so lost without having a priest to forgive my sins! Oh yeah, Jesus died to forgive my sins, not some priest in the Catholic church that prays to the image of a woman and not God!
Unlike our legal system where ignorance of the law is not a defense: the ignorance of God's law is a defense! Aren't you lucky: you are ignorant! At least you were, until I educated you!
Source of Day Wikipedia:" Calvin's writing and preachings provided the seeds for the branch of theology that bears his name. The Presbyterian and other Reformed churches, which look to Calvin as a chief expositor of their beliefs, have spread throughout the world. Calvin's thought exerted considerable influence over major religious figures and entire religious movements, such as Puritanism, and some have argued that his ideas have contributed to the rise of capitalism, individualism, and representative democracy in the West."
Huguenots were french followers of Calvin'd ideas, for they knew He had something to do with the Crown the Catholics of France reacted... read Huguenot history.
So the Huguenots exported their poo and guess what they accomplished......the Huguenots are French-Traitors....... here's a few of their "clan" making a "little" dent in history...
Source Wiki(Huguenots)
"Eight American Presidents (George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, William Taft, Harry Truman, Gerald Ford and Lyndon Johnson) had significant proven Huguenot ancestry, as did founding fathers Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and Paul Revere. Twelve other U.S. Presidents had credible but unproven claims to Huguenot ancestors.[45]
Davy Crockett, celebrated 19th-century American folk hero, frontiersman, soldier and politician was of Huguenot stock. The Crocketts were the descendants of Huguenots who fled France in the 17th Century and migrated to Ireland. Crockett is an Anglicized version of the name "de Crocketagne".
Francis Marion, American Revolutionary War guerilla fighter, was of predominantly Huguenot heritage.
In 1924 a commemorative half dollar, known as the Huguenot-Walloon Half Dollar[46], was coined in the United States to celebrate the 300th anniversary of their initial settlement in what is now the United States. One Huguenot colonist was a silversmith named Apollos Rivoire, who would later anglicize his name to Paul Revere. He would, still later, give his name and his profession to his son, Paul Revere, the famous United States revolutionary."
You owe vatican 0$ ,FACT - Huguenots have led you to your national and personal debts, FACT, Kennedy the Catholic tried to warn you FACT Lyndon Johnson the Huguenot Stock followed him into office after brains were spilled FACT
The Rothschilds were writing scripts of fiction long before they supplied a few Canadian Jews with the means to create Hollywood....... and this is why America's story and little boys coming out of a battlefield with a flute victorious sounds so much like a Hollywood Script! Good Morning Sunshine, nice to see you WAKE_UP!
A.J.'s "answers" may be dangerous to your LIFE!
Hitler = Tool as Obama = Tool, the math is pure!
Check out the HOLY WAR decleration of 1933 what year did ww2 start?
This had a "offensive to fb users" warning pop up lol http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=1710662559138481080&hl=en&fs=true
I'm going hard here because on infowars.com pay or not, i get censored within 4 minutes everytime with FACTS provided
-still calling them "FREEDOM FRIES" down there y'all???
... as a.j. says , time to do your own homework, and if you do prove my claims wrong, please let me know a.s.a.p. so I can speak TRUTH..thank-you! http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm
and so you know.... some of us catholics do know of the evils that were committed by so called members of the church, but we choose to hunt down those devils from within the church , the one church that Jesus placed on the shoulders of St-Peter, rather than follow some of those same devils outside of HER!
"The amendment would strip away abortion coverage in the public insurance option. Moreover, it also would mean that private plans would be prohibited from extending coverage for abortion procedures if they take in patients who get government subsidies."
That is the issue! The cold hard reality of this is that 86% of all abortions are conducted on Women in families who earn a combined income of less that $60,000 a year! Among that group 75% of them are at or below the poverty level and therefore, likely to be on some sort of government assistance.
The foolish people who voted for Obama are in for a real surprise! This clown is going to do more to set back our society than we could have ever feared from George Bush Jr.
Good Luck America! Seig Heil Obama!
Let's look at the Catholic record. Right now, according to the CIA Fact Book in Wikipedia, our infant mortality rate is twice as high as the infant mortality rate of Sweden or France, two nations with little regard for the Catholic church. According to a recent study by the CDC, inadequate medical care is one of the big reasons for our infant mortality rate.
Many desperte women turn to abortions simply because they cannot afford medical bills. If preliminary exams reveal a fetus with a congenital health conditions, again women get abortions because they will not be able to get health insurance.
Now that the Catholic church got what it wanted, will it step up to the plate and take a stand for Justice?
I don't think so.
We have shameful rates of abortion and infant mortality because of the Catholic Church. If we really want to reduce and/or eliminate abortions and infant mortality, maybe we need to shut down the Catholic Church.
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved - the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" --John Adams, 2nd US President
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."
-- James Madison, 4th Us President
The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and engrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man.-- Thomas Jefferson
"The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy." --George Washington
RELIGION POISONS EVERYTHING!
Source of Day Wikipedia:" Calvin's writing and preachings provided the seeds for the branch of theology that bears his name. The Presbyterian and other Reformed churches, which look to Calvin as a chief expositor of their beliefs, have spread throughout the world. Calvin's thought exerted considerable influence over major religious figures and entire religious movements, such as Puritanism, and some have argued that his ideas have contributed to the rise of capitalism, individualism, and representative democracy in the West."
Huguenots were french followers of Calvin'd ideas, for they knew He had something to do with the Crown the Catholics of France reacted... read Huguenot history.
So the Huguenots exported their poo and guess what they accomplished......the Huguenots are French-Traitors....... here's a few of their "clan" making a "little" dent in history...
Source Wiki(Huguenots)
"Eight American Presidents (George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, William Taft, Harry Truman, Gerald Ford and Lyndon Johnson) had significant proven Huguenot ancestry, as did founding fathers Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and Paul Revere. Twelve other U.S. Presidents had credible but unproven claims to Huguenot ancestors.[45]
Davy Crockett, celebrated 19th-century American folk hero, frontiersman, soldier and politician was of Huguenot stock. The Crocketts were the descendants of Huguenots who fled France in the 17th Century and migrated to Ireland. Crockett is an Anglicized version of the name "de Crocketagne".
Francis Marion, American Revolutionary War guerilla fighter, was of predominantly Huguenot heritage.
In 1924 a commemorative half dollar, known as the Huguenot-Walloon Half Dollar[46], was coined in the United States to celebrate the 300th anniversary of their initial settlement in what is now the United States. One Huguenot colonist was a silversmith named Apollos Rivoire, who would later anglicize his name to Paul Revere. He would, still later, give his name and his profession to his son, Paul Revere, the famous United States revolutionary."
You owe vatican 0$ ,FACT - Huguenots have led you to your national and personal debts, FACT, Kennedy the Catholic tried to warn you FACT Lyndon Johnson the Huguenot Stock followed him into office after brains were spilled FACT
The Rothschilds were writing scripts of fiction long before they supplied a few Canadian Jews with the means to create Hollywood....... and this is why America's story and little boys coming out of a battlefield with a flute victorious sounds so much like a Hollywood Script! Good Morning Sunshine, nice to see you WAKE_UP!
A.J.'s "answers" may be dangerous to your LIFE!
Hitler = Tool as Obama = Tool, the math is pure!
Check out the HOLY WAR decleration of 1933 what year did ww2 start?
This had a "offensive to fb users" warning pop up lol http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=1710662559138481080&hl=en&fs=true
I'm going hard here because on infowars.com pay or not, i get censored within 4 minutes everytime with FACTS provided
-still calling them "FREEDOM FRIES" down there y'all???
... as a.j. says , time to do your own homework, and if you do prove my claims wrong, please let me know a.s.a.p. so I can speak TRUTH..thank-you! http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm
and so you know.... some of us catholics do know of the evils that were committed by so called members of the church, but we choose to hunt down those devils from within the church , the one church that Jesus placed on the shoulders of St-Peter, rather than follow some of those same devils outside of HER!
The argument here is who pays for it on the government plan.
The people as a whole should not foot the bill thru the Gov. Plan.
If a person wants an abortion they should pay for it themselves.
There still is CHOICE....If you want an abortion, it's not against the law of the land. You can electively CHOOSE to abort, but at the same time YOU PAY FOR IT OUT OF YOUR OWN POCKET.
Now....DO you all understand?
And "pro-life" isn't really an accurate label. How about "pro-birth"?