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October 27, 2009 2:49 PM

Did The Tea Partiers Party Too Soon?

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Charles Cooper
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5133203All across `Glennbeckistan,' a spring and summer of fury fueled the hope that the Democrats' push for health care reform would wind up stillborn. Add in the forced resignation of Van Jones and the public embarrassment of ACORN and the tea party movement was ready to celebrate its high water mark.

But did the trumpets of triumphalism sound prematurely?

After weeks of mixed signals, the leadership of the Senate Democrats now says it will offer a health reform plan that includes the public option, a move welcomed by a newly-reenergized liberal base. (Another measure of how big a deal this is: Consider the absolute fit National Review's Rich Lowry is having over the latest turn. Up until recently, Lowry and his cohorts on the right were smugly predicting the imminent morphing of Barack Obama's presidency into the second coming of Jimmy Carter.)

I think Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight is onto something when he notes the tea party movement's amorphous critique of public policy has turned out to be its Achilles heel. Despite the attention it garnered on Fox and right-wing blogs, the movement's lack of focus contrasts with the focus liberal groups have put on the public option.

"Whereas liberal activists have been focused on a laser like the public option, conservative activists have been distracted by ACORN, Van Jones, the NFL's conspiracy against Rush Limbaugh, and who-knows-what. Usually it's liberals who have amorphous, omnibus critiques of the government, and conservatives who bear down on specific policies; the polarity seems somewhat to have reversed."

(A last minute decision by the insurance lobby to release a flawed Price Waterhouse Coopers report helped foster the perception that big corporate interests had been pulling the strings of the anti-health care reform movement from the get-go.)

Another sign: The cat fight in New York's 23rd congressional district where conservatives have abandoned the Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava in favor of Conservative Party party candidate Doug Hoffman. On Monday, Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich stuck it to the extreme right, which he accused of orchestrating a party purge.

"This idea that we're suddenly going to establish litmus tests and all across the country we're going to purge the party of anybody who doesn't agree with us 100 percent; that guarantees Obama's reelection, that guarantees Pelosi as Speaker-for-life," he said on Fox News Monday night.

  • Charles Cooper is an executive editor at CNET News. He has covered technology and business for more than 25 years, working at CBSNews.com, the Associated Press, Computer & Software News, Computer Shopper, PC Week, and ZDNet. E-mail Charlie.

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by noloyalisti October 28, 2009 5:55 PM EDT
Because the tea baggers are making stuff up and other people believe them. They are blaming the government when the real problem are the big, greedy corporations. And if they were worried about tyranny, where we they when the Bush Crime Family was pushing the Patriot Act, setting up "free speech" zones, and illegally lying, kidnapping, torturing and spying?

Essentially the tea bagger are ignorant and frightened hypocrites. And are protesting all the wrong people and all the wrong things.
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by SHEETPAN October 28, 2009 5:36 PM EDT
Why does it bother the left so much when they see people peacefully protesting against record setting spending. And folks waving American flags and promoting Individual rights and freedom over tyranny. How is that a threat?
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by MorrisStuff October 28, 2009 4:29 PM EDT
Bruce,
You stated ??the top 50% of tax payers pay the majority of taxes?.
Guess what? You are right. Here is a link from the Rush Limbaugh site, showing exactly what you are talking about. I assume you trust Rush don?t you?
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/top_50__of_wage_earners_pay_96_09__of_income_taxes.guest.html

In the 3rd paragraph is states:
The top 50% were those individuals or couples filing jointly who earned $26,000 and up in 1999.
The top 1% earned $293,000-plus.

So, just what do YOU think these numbers mean. To ME, they mean that only half the people in this country earn $26,000 a year or more. That is pretty sad. Notice it says ?couples filing jointly?, so that means families. I can?t imagine a family making $26,000 a year would be able to contribute much to the tax base. And $26,000 is where 50% starts, that means a lot make much less. By the way, these numbers are for tax payers, so don?t assume these people are not working just as hard for their money as you are.

Now for the top 1%.
So for a family making $293,000 in this country you are already in the top 1% club? Now that is a nice income, but come-on, that would be typical of any professional couple living in California or large city elsewhere. Shouldn?t the 1% mark be for the Bill Gate?s and Rockefellers. You know the? rich that pay more than their fair share?.

You also probably don?t realize that the rich in this country pay an ?effective? tax rate. That means they can use tax shelters and loopholes to ?effectively? pay taxes on an income that is trivial to them. So they still get to say ?I pay a high tax rate?, but that could be on $5,000 when they could very well be making Billions.

Look, I don?t support sticking it to the ?rich? to pay more than their fair share. I support them paying the same amount. Unfortunately, the truth is they don?t.
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by noloyalisti October 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT
Only tea baggers would complain about the government giving them money. Only they are stupid enough to want to give even MORE money to the rich. They even want to REWARD the big corporations to take their jobs, farms, and businesses. Does the whole lot of them have even one brain between them?
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by patriotLadies October 28, 2009 4:00 PM EDT
Do you know what the word "tea bagger" means?
You, like a young child using a sware word, use this to
belittle your neighbors who actually believe in "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," who believe in "freedom" and who beleive in fiscal responsibility. This term has sexual conotations in the gay comunity (see urban dictionary) It was first used by liberal newscasters to put down the protesters. They, and you, use it much like the "N" word was used in the 1960's to put blacks in their place. I know you wouldn't do that, so why do you think it is OK to name call those who simply disagree with you?

I have attended a Tea Party. The people there were intellegent, spoke well, seamed to be hard-working, self-sufficient, and actually believe in the power of the people. This country was founded as a country "of the people, by the people, and for the people." Letting the "rich" spend what they earn, rather than stealing it via taxes, lets them hire people, thus creating more jobs, and buiding the economy.

In general, everyone wants a bigger piece of the pie. There are two ways to get a bigger piece. 1 take from others. 2. grow the pie.
When the government gets in the middle and redistributes the wealth, the taxpayer feels robbed, and the recipient is entitled - both de-motivated. But, when the free market is allow to grow the pie, those who have will gladly share with those who need. In general when people help people, the givers do so joyfully, the recipients are grateful. Both are motivated.
by chevyhotrod October 28, 2009 4:16 PM EDT
noloyalisti,
You would be correct, tea baggers do not want money from the government, because they are smart enough to realize the money has to come from somebody else and they do not want a handout and most importantly do not need a handout. They believe that what you earn is what you deserve and nothing in life is free, you have to earn it. The REWARD comes from hard work and they are the companies, farms and businesses, something you don't care to understand or don't bother to realize. I guess your brain tells you that the government has the right to take from one citizen and give it to another citizen without compensation, because the government tells you that you shouldn't have to work for a REWARD, the government will just give it to you, provided you keep voting for them? Talk about brain dead?????
by excoachken October 28, 2009 4:22 AM EDT
Bruce, Bruce, Bruce-----Please take your medication.
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by excoachken October 28, 2009 4:19 AM EDT
"Tea Party" ---- A simple "Alice in Wonderland" concept "reborn" by the simpletons, in search of a quick fix, who just can't get enough of being exploited by the Corporate Elitist Radio Liars Club.
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by maxcoffee-2009 October 27, 2009 11:29 PM EDT
Bruce Major.. You sound like the biggest sheeple of them all.
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by noloyalisti October 27, 2009 7:18 PM EDT
I would like to discuss the issues of the Tea Baggers. They want to protest the government trying to save their sorry butts while being for even more tax breaks for the rich. Where were these people when the Bush Crime Family and their corporate masters were turning America into a third world country?
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by rightbehind October 27, 2009 6:25 PM EDT
What a flop! I just seen the video on you tube of the Cincinnati tea party for 10/24/09. Their motto was we have you surrounded. They were going to surround the building that the local democratic congressman was it. Didn't look like there was enough in attendance to block even the front lobby. There are over 2.1 million people that live within a 10 mile radius of this event. LOL!!
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by rightbehind October 27, 2009 6:05 PM EDT
Well they had another tea party in Cincinnati and it was a flop. With each and every one the attendance falls. This time they didn't even put it in the news about attendance. The tea baggers were at exit ramps handing out flyer's to all that would take them almost 3 days in advance trying to up the attendance. Looks like the public is catching on to the republicans. At the tea party peek they couldn't even manage 1% of the population within a 10 mile radius. Now it considerably less. LOL!!
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