Playing Pranks On Wingnut Nation?

(CBS)

A document said to be obtained by California attorney Orly Taitz purports to be a certified copy of Kenyan document dated February 17, 1964 listing Barack Obama's hospital of birth as "Coast General Hospital" in Mombasa. The photo reproduction also includes a stamp from an "Office of the Principal Registrar, Coast Province, Republic of Kenya." If true, might that be the smoking gun that the "birther" movement has been looking for?

Nailed. Settled. Time to draw up the articles of impeachment. After all, we can't have a foreigner sitting in the Oval Office, can we? Not so fast.

Kenya became a republic in December 1964, about three years after Obama's birth. WorldNet Daily, which republished the photos, later updated its original post and explained that since Kenya's official independence was in 1963, "any number of labels could have been applied to government documents during that time period."

Unfortunately, nobody was immediately available at the Kenyan Embassy to offer a definitive answer. WorldNet Daily said that Taitz received the document from an anonymous source who wished to remain unidentified because he feared for his life.

When the Obama-Kenya rumor first began gaining attention last year, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, attested to having personally seen Obama's original birth certificate in that state's archives. Not that her declaration has done much to dissuade conspiracy buffs whose minds were already made up.\

MSBNC interviewed Taitz about her President Obama's birth certificate claims. Actually, "interviewed" is probably the wrong word. At a certain point in what degenerated into a shouting match, Taitz called anchor David Shuster a "Brownshirt" and the conversation went nowhere. Here's the clip below. (Public service warning: Earplugs might not be a bad idea.)



I later spoke with Joseph Farah, WorldNet Daily's editor and chief executive officer, who said that while he does not believe the Taitz document will turn out to be genuine, the White House's refusal to release the long form birth certificate continues to raise questions about President Obama's place of birth.

But if we're going to traffic in the realm of `what if's,' is it also possible that this was part of an elaborate ruse to mock the birthers? As the chronicler of Obama conspiracy theories puts it:

"There are various internal inconsistencies that have been pointed out that suggest that the Kenyan certificate is more a hoax than a forgery (e.g. the certificate number 47,044 – Obama was 47 years old when he became the 44th president of the US and that the name of the Registrar, E. F. Lavender, is also a brand of hand wash.) (One wonders if the signer ODUYA is a play on "Oh, do ya?," not unlike "Oh really? -O RLY?...")

However this turns out, President Obama will be celebrating his birthday on Tuesday. Happy 48th.

[noloyalisti]

These right wingnuts don't even realize how stupid and silly they look.

They think they are like the original tea partiers who were protesting big right wing corporations who were raping and pillaging Americans (just like now).

Of course they are conservatives so whatever they think is right. How could THEY be wrong. Facts and events that happen are of no consequence or meaning.

[reese611]

Wingnut? Funny I dont recall CBS using such descriptions about people who insisted Bush dodged his national guard duty...oh wait I forgot that was Dan Rather your own reporter on tv with forged documents doing that one. And then news media wonders why their ratings are going into the toilet.

[BZinNH]

I have 3 things to say:

1) Thank you CBS for calling republicans WINGNUTS and not Tinfoilers - a lot of stupid people out there do not no the difference between a Wingnut and someone with a Tinfoil Hat - Wingnut is a "Republican" nut and A tinfoiler is a "Left wing" nut... Like someone who believes that 911 was an inside job - a lot of LEFT wing people believe this. SO PEOPLE GET YOUR DAMN name calling straight!!!! LOL I'm sick of explaining this to stupid people who are "Rational" or "smart" "Normal" whatever you people who believe in this freaking TWILIGHT Zone we live are called.

2) OBUSHMA is the same as "BUSH the STUPID" so you people defending either BUSH or OBAMA are STUPID and should wake up and look at how the Parties are playing you for the fools that you are.

3) So for the people who care about the "Birth Certificate", WERE YOU just as concerned that IRAQ was an illegal WAR, most of the WARS since WWII were all UNCONSTITUTIONAL? FOR you idiots who WERE AGAINST THE Iraq WAR, are you happy that Obushma is moving our TROOPS to Afganistan? IS STILL friends with the criminals who kill their own people? That OBUSHMA by not getting us out of the middle east, and by still pursuing this "Crusades for Oil" (that's for the tinfoilers) we are STILL HATED? You losers HAVE BEEN HAD and have been for years.... Wake up! Good luck b/c you all NEED IT!

[2sun]

Obama born British disqualified as constitutional "Natural Born Citizen"

Are we a Republic under the Rule of Law? Or have we descended into mob rule?
The heart of Obama?s eligibility issue is whether a President Elect with dual nationality can constitutionally qualify as a ?Natural Born Citizen? or whether the Founders intended to exclude ALL foreign influence in the President compared to ?Citizen? for Senator. Furthermore, US Constitution Amendment XX provides for ?if the President elect shall have failed to qualify.?

The strict difference between constitutional qualifications of ?Natural Born Citizen? for President over ?Citizen? for Senator is that the President must be born of two US citizens and be born within US jurisdiction to exclude all foreign influence. Birth within US jurisdiction is essential BUT INSUFFICIENT!

Barack Obama Sr.(I) was an alien Kenyan student from the British East African Protectorate of Zanzibar without US domicile. He was NEVER a US citizen, but rather a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies.

Barack H. Obama (II) acknowledged he had British citizenship at birth by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That automatically disqualified Obama from becoming President. He acquired Indonesian citizenship by adoption to Lolo Soetoro.

As President Elect, Obama failed to provide any original evidence that he had qualified. He gave NO evidence both his parents were US citizens. He gave NO evidence to distinguish between claims that registrars in Hawaii and Kenya have Obama?s birth certificate.

First US Chief Justice John Jay recommended to Constitutional Convention President George Washington:
?Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check on the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the commander in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen.? (Jay emphasized ?born?).
Washington acknowledged and the Convention changed ?citizen? to ?natural born citizen? without debate.

In ?The Law of Nations?, (1758) Emmerich de Vattel defined ?natural born citizen? as combining both parents? allegiance (jus sanguinis) with birthplace(jus soli):
"The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. . . to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen, for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . ."

Delegate Senator Charles Pinckney summarized the Electoral College and Presidential qualifications:
?It was intended to give your President the command of your forces, . . . . . to make it impossible for the different States to know who the Electors are for, or for improper domestic, or, what is of much more consequence, foreign influence and gold to interfere; that by doing this the President would really hold his office independent of the Legislature; . . . This therefore they have guarded against, and to insure experience and attachment to the country, they have determined that no man who is not a natural born citizen, or citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, of fourteen years residence, and thirty-five years of age, shall be eligible.... ?

Rep. John A. Bingham, Union Army Judge Advocate and drafter of the 14th Amendment said:
?[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen?.

Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, inserted ?subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof? into Amendment XIV, explaining:
?That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.?

The Right Side of Life has posted all the Elegibility Lawsuits at http [colon double slash] www [dot] therightsideoflife [dot] com [slash question] page [underline] id [equals] 1518
See also the web site of Orly Taitz Esq [dot] com

The foundational issue is whether or not we uphold the Rule of Law and the Constitution. Once we begin to ignore it, we soon will have no protections against tyranny. In the 20th century, 33 Democracies descended into tyranny by failing to preserve their constitutional protections. e.g. Germany to Hitler, Russia to Lenin and Stalin, China to Mao Tse Tung etc.

Obama has multiple Hawaiian Birth Certificates from each of his mother's marriage, divorce, and remarriage. Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" is a diversion focusing attention away from the critical issue of Obama?s British citizenship by birth. British citizenship disqualifies Obama from ?Natural Born Citizen? per John Jay's letter.

[Black_Conservative]

Well, where this is fire there is smoke. I saw to the video. Attorney Orly was very professional and respectful setting forth her principle argument. The bias came from the two journalists side. Folks. This is American. We have free of speech. Obama so-called transparent have not rubbed off on the mainstream media. They were very hostile, disrespectful and not professional. I gave Attorney Orly a thumbs us! Inspite of their personal attacks and insults she stood her ground.

[choprzrul]

THIS IS THE LAW: "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." READ FOR YOURSELF AT: http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Article2

THIS IS THE CASE LAW: "The right of citizenship never descends in the legal sense, either by the common law or under the common naturalization acts. It is incident to birth in the country, or it is given personally by statute. The child of an alien, if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle." SEE FOR YOURSELF AT: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html

Note that Justice Gray DOES NOT SAY "...The child of an alien, if born in the country, is as much a NATURAL BORN citizen as the natural born child of a citizen..."

The constitutional requirements for federal elected officials is different. The legislative branch must be CITIZENS, while the executive branch must be NATURAL BORN CITIZENS. Since the requirements are different, there has to be a difference between being a CITIZEN and being a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. This is supported by Justice Gray writing for the majority in the 1898 Ark decision. He writes that citizens and natural born citizens have the same rights. His choice of words are where the distinction lies. Obviously, the "...The child of an alien..." is different from "...the natural born child of a citizen..." Both are citizens according to the law and in the eye of case law and both are able to hold office inr the legislative division of the federal government, per Article I of the constitution. However, Article II clearly states that "No person except a natural born Citizen..." can be president. Case law (Ark) clearly shows that "...The child of an alien..." is diffent from a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. The only way to become a natural born citizen is to be born a natural born citizen of TWO CITIZEN PARENTS. Being born to "..an alien" still allows you to be a CITIZEN, but you can never be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

BHO's father was a British subject. "In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC." YOUR CAN READ FOR YOURSELF AT: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

Now, considering what the law says, what case law establishes, and what we know about BHO's father, what conclusions can we draw?

Are laws being broken?

[HatchAx]

Yes laws were broken--dentist Orly Taitz committed fraud & contempt of court by filing a forged "Kenyan" birth certificate--it didn't take long to learn the fraudulent document was cooked up by hackers who stole an image from the family web site of an Australian civll servant, one David Jeffrey Blomford, who is upset that hackers edited his property, supports Obama & believes in UFO's--even the Obama-hating National Review says this latest attempt is just pathetic.

http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjVkNWYwNjQ1NjVkMmZiZDIwMjc2NGUzY2U5ZDIyNTk=

As to the slop choprzul, if you'd bothered to check actual law, you might have run across a guy named Chester Alan Arthur; he was the 21st Prez, remember? He was born a few miles from Canada to an American mother & a British subject (who became a citizen after his son's 14th bithday)--when political opponents in 1880 tried to use choprzul's bogus argument, every court shot it down.

No use going any futher after all, because almost none of you wing nuts seemed to remember that state courts cleared John McCain (who was born in Panama)--while we're on the subject, his mentor & 1964 candidate, Barry Goldwater was born in the US but not, like Obama, born in a state (Goldwater was born in the AZ territory a few miles from the Mexican border)

Oh, & fyi, John McCain was made a "citizen" of Ireland the same way Obama became a "citizen" of Kenya

[svladjelly]

Funny that no one complained about Chester A. Arthur, whose father was Irish. Hmmm, what is the difference between these two Presidents.... Oh, what could it be!?

[reveal5]

Oh yeah, America is now getting a bird's eye view of the right wing. The declining population of self identified Republicans is exacting greater scrutiny of the remaining few. Few being the key word. "Birthers" is the new catch phrase. "Wingnuts" is clearly written by CBS. "Course, that's an old catch phrase. At any rate. Americans have a clearer picture of the folks on the right. In high definition for all the world to see. The 85 to 95 percent of we non fringe right wing characters understand the "Birthers" better now.

[Tesseract257]

If McCain/Palin had been less pro-iraqi and more pro-American they would of won.. but people would be wondering if McCain, born in the Panama Canal Zone, was qualified as a "natural-born citizen" to be president.

[svladjelly]

No, they wouldn't, because John McCain is white.

[svladjelly]

No, they wouldn't, because John McCain is white.

[grandfatherdizzy]

Birth was a very special thing back then. Hospitals went to extraordinary lenghts in preparation of birth certificates. In many parts of the world, marriage certificates are just as elaborate. You ought to see mine. My feet are stamped on the darn thing. Anyway, I an not a birther or what ever you call the theorist. Botton line; What is the holy one's problem releasing the original one. Afraid his foot print did not fit the certificate. (LOL) All this would go away. He is creating the problem. Not the birther.

[ge556]

Obama DID release his birth certificate.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

[pvperson3]

Orly Taitz, attorney, real estate agent and dentist, gosh with credentials like that, who wouldn't beleive her nutcake ideas?