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CBS News/ February 21, 2012, 2:51 PM

Evangelist Franklin Graham questions Christianity of Obama and Romney

 

Franklin Graham, the son of prominent evangelist Billy Graham, questioned the Christianity of both President Obama and presidential candidate Mitt Romney on Tuesday.

Asked in an interview with MSNBC's "Morning Joe" if he believed Mr. Obama was a Christian, Graham said he would "have to assume" he is because "he has said he's a Christian," but then added that he cannot answer the question himself.

"You'll have to ask President Obama," Graham said, when asked directly what he believes about Mr. Obama's faith.

"You can ask me 'Do I believe you're a Christian?' I think the best thing for a person is to ask you directly, so I think people have to ask Barack Obama. He's come out saying that he's a Christian, so I think the question is 'What is a Christian?'" Graham said.

Graham was also asked about the former Massachusetts governor, who is in tight race with Rick Santorum, a conservative Catholic, in next week's Republican primary in Michigan.

"Most Christians would not recognize Mormonism as part of the Christian faith," Graham said, declining to say outright that he does not count Romney, a Mormon, as a Christian.

"I'm just saying most Christians would not recognize Mormonism," Graham said. "Of course, they believe in Jesus Christ, but they have a lot of other things they believe in too that we don't accept theologically. But he would be a good president if he [won] the nomination."

Graham suggested Mr. Obama is not as Christian as he could be, or as Christian as other presidential candidates on the trail.

"But the question is: What is a Christian? And a Christian is a person that believes Jesus Christ is God's son who died on a cross for our sins who God raised to life. And that if we put our faith and trust in him, then God will forgive us of our sins. Now, that's the definition of a Christian. I was 22 years old when I asked Christ to come into my heart. You cannot be born a Christian; you can only be converted. And that is by putting your faith and trust in Christ," Graham said.

He said that, in a conversation he'd had with Mr. Obama a number of years ago, the president told him he'd started to go to church while working on the south side of Chicago because leaders in the community told him it was a necessity.

"So therefore, by your definition, he's not a Christian," prompted MSNBC's Willie Geist.

"Again. You'd have to ask him. I cannot answer that question for anybody. All I know is that I'm a sinner and that God has forgiven me of my sins. Because I put my faith and trust in Jesus Christ. That's all I know," Graham said.

Graham had a different response when asked if Santorum was a Christian.

"Do you believe that Rick Santorum is a Christian?" asked Geist.

"I think so," said Graham.

"How do you know? If the standard is only the person knows what's within him, when you apply it to the president why is it different for Rick Santorum?" asked Geist.

Graham said he believes Santorum is "a man of faith" because of the "stand he takes" on moral issues.

"Well, because his values are so clear on moral issues. No question about it," Graham said. "And I just appreciate the moral stand that he takes on these things. So I believe that he is. He comes from a Catholic faith; I'm Protestant so there are a lot of differences between what he believes and what I believe. But yet I think he is, no question, I believe he's a man of faith."

John Heilemann, a journalist and guest on the show, accused Graham of applying an "incredible double standard" to Mr. Obama and Santorum on the question of religion, given that previously he'd said that one can't know the depth of another's religious faith.

"No. I asked President Obama how he came to faith in Christ. And he said 'I don't go to church,'" Graham said. He said Santorum had been more persuasive on the question when he had a similar conversation with him about faith.

"You have to look at a person does with his life. Anyone can say that he's a Christian, but you look at how they live," Graham said.

Graham also said he thinks Gingrich is a Christian.

"I think Newt is a Christian," he said. "At least he told me he is."

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apreacherman says:
without hesitation
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homeboy2012 says:
it is time for a real God Fearing holyghost fire REVIVAL
where sinners dont get up and say words after a nother man
that is not from God it is man made go back to the old days
with bro smith wigglesworth, old time Tent meetings where people
were healed, set free Baptized in jesus christs name filled with
the holyghost and fire. there was Conviction, now you can find a Church
on every corner. wanting your money so they can live rich the body of jesus christ needs to repent read 2chron 7:14 please I ask every person who claims to be saved, christian please read before you judge someone else. God bless,
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homeboy2012 says:
the Question was asked to Mr. Franklin Graham,
Do You Believe the President Is A Christian?
Mr Graham all you did was Make a excuse,
the real Christian is found in the Book of acts
just saying and believing you are a christian
does not make it so, the bible says you must be
Born again peter in the 2nd chapter was asked a
personal question what must we do? they wanted to
know how to be forgiven of the wrong they did to jesus
Peter stood up and the eleven with him and said under
the power and anointing of God and said repent and be Baptize
everyone of you in the Name of jesus christ and ye shall recieve
the gift of the holyghost. to go to heaven NUMBER 1, you have to repent, number 2, Be Baptized in water, in the Name of Jesus christ
the Apostles Doctrine not yours not any pastor priest, elder but the apostles you will find that any person in the new testament was Baptized in the Name of jesus christ it was changed by the Catholic Church in 325Ad so mr Graham you are right you are still a sinner and you want to judge mr obama cast the beam out of thy own eye before you try to cast the beam out of your brothers eye.If I had a chance to talk to the president I would tell him the plan of salvation because the Lord loves him to God bless.
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apreacherman replies:
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the fact that preachers who claim that they are called ministers of Jesus Christ and Christians by faith are unable to call the tree what it is, is a denial of that same faith. The president of the United States was not shy at all in declaring that America is not a Christian nation anymore, but have given way to all other religions; thus making it clear that America cannot claim Christianity anylonger. Graham should have been able to say with hesitation that the President of a Christian nation is not a Christian, evident by works. Christians are instructed not to forsake the assembling of themselves together as the manner of some is, but so much the more as we see that day aproaching. The fact that the president besmerged the teachings of Jesus insinuating that the sermon on the mount as being inadequate to draw public policy from. All Christians should rise and openly show their disapproval of that statement. The president of the United States of America is not a Christian!
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ldschristian says:
For Latter-day Saints, Jesus Christ is the Savior of all people, the divine Son of God. He is the same Jesus Christ of the New Testament, who taught about faith and about love for God and mankind. Jesus Christ — not Moses, Paul or Joseph Smith — is the object of Mormons' devotion and worship. As the Prophet Joseph Smith himself taught, "The fundamental principles of our religion are ... concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it."

This is indeed the daily reality for Latter-day Saints. Jesus Christ is perpetually front and center in the lives of practicing members of the faith. Whenever Mormons pray to God, for instance, they do so in the name of Jesus Christ. Baptism by immersion, according to the symbolism of Jesus Christ's death and resurrection, marks a person's entrance into the faith. The sacrament (what other Christian traditions call communion) is administered weekly in Sunday services for members to reflect on the mercy of Jesus Christ. When Latter-day Saints seek forgiveness, they do so through Jesus Christ's atoning sacrifice. They serve the poor and needy and give of their time and money to numerous humanitarian aid efforts in order to follow Christ's teachings. Images of Christ adorn the faith's meetinghouses and temples. Church leaders and members testify of Jesus Christ's reality and divinity. The Son of God appears in the Church's official name: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." While some outsiders know Latter-day Saints as Mormons, members know themselves as part of Christ's Church.

At their best, Latter-day Saints' behavior, speech, thoughts and identity all reflect Christ and His teachings. If you ask a member what it means to belong to the Church, he or she will tell you that most fundamentally it means to believe in Jesus as the Savior of the world and to follow Him.

For Latter-day Saints, being a Christian means being a disciple of Jesus Christ, loving and worshiping Him above all. It means prizing Christ and centering one's life on His teachings from the New Testament. It means striving to live the kind of life that Christ commanded, honoring Him in word and deed. This is the meaning of a Christian, and there is no doubt that Latter-day Saints — who pattern their lives after all of these things — belong to Christ's fold.

To learn more about how Latter-day Saints worship Jesus Christ, go to the Church's official statement on the Savior: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/the-living-christ
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EngineerApologist replies:
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Very mainstream. I understand it is a high goal of a Mormon man to become a god. Is that correct? Do you think that Mitt has a goal to become a god?
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USAirborne869 says:
1. "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10

2. "'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6

MORMONS believe that "each" male child born of woman will become a GOD and have a wife and that after they die each new god will create his own universe and the life process we now experience on mother earth starts all over again / worlds unending / Gods unending.
Therefore, Mormons cannot be Christian / Christians...
(1). Mormonism teaches that historical Christianity is totally apostate, and God raised up Joseph Smith as a prophet to restore it. In addition to using the Bible (which they believe is totally inadequate by itself to tell us what we need to know), Mormons believe that the "revelations" "discovered" by Joseph Smith which came to be written down as the "Book of Mormon" are Scripture. They also base their religious system on two other books: "Doctrines and Covenants" and "The Pearl of Great Price" as well as the pronouncements of their "living prophets", which they teach are Scripture and binding on all true believers.

What follows are some of the strange doctrines of mormonism.
God was once a man -
God the Father has many wives -
Jesus was the spirit brother of Lucifer -
Black-skinned people are of inferior origin -
We are saved by grace, after we have done all we can -
Joseph Smith will judge who may or may not enter into heaven. See Brigham Young, Oct 9, 1859, Journal of Discourses 7:282
Jesus Christ practiced Polygamy during His ministry on earth
The one God: Father, Son, Holy Spirit

Passages that say there is only one God:

http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-oneness-unity-one-god.htm
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USAirborne869 says:
Protestant Church Life Magazine quoted Graham in its Sept. 29, 1956 issue, 'Referring to the Billy Graham New York Crusade scheduled for May, 1957, Dr. Graham said: "We're coming to New York not to clean it up, but to get people to dedicate themselves to God and to send them on to their own churches -- Catholic, Protestant or Jewish." This has remained the practice of Graham to this day

Franklin Graham's (son of world renowned evangelist Rev. Billy Graham, and heir to the very lucrative and influential Billy Graham Evangelistic Ministries) answer to a question by NBC's Tom Brokaw, ..."it's very important that all the faiths, all the denominations are coming together, cooperating together, working together; it is a wonderful testimony to the spirit of America, and the dedication of the American people."

Rev. Moon states in his address, 'Life on Earth and in the Spirit World':
"This is why God created so many different religions: to be training grounds to make a path for every people, culture, custom, and tradition. Religions polish people to be qualified to enter the region of the original homeland. Because of humankind's many different cultural backgrounds, God sought and set the standard of comparison and has been leading the way toward one unified religious world." (4)
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USAirborne869 says:
Billy Graham says: I can't play GOD anymore
and
Denies Jesus Is
"The ONLY WAY to the Father."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MZWug3QAvs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozjLaoPrcQ0&feature=related
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USAirborne869 says:
May 31, 1997
Robert Schuller asked Billy Graham:
QUOTE:
Tell me, what do you think is the Future of Christianity?
You Tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCnxA91fHE&feature=related
Billy Graham stated: Well, Christianity and being a true believer...You know I think there's the body of Christ, which comes from all the Christians groups around the world, or OUTSIDE the Christian groups...I think everybody that, that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're MEMBERS of the body of Christ...And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think that the Apostle James answered that in first Council in Jerusalem, when he said that GOD's purpose for his age is to call out a people for HIS name. And that's what God's doing today. He's calling people out of the world for his name. Weather they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world; they are members of the body of Christ because they've been called by GOD. They may not even KNOW the name of JESUS, but they know in their heart that they need something that they don't have and they turn to the ONLY LIGHT that they have, and I think they are saved and that they will be with US (Christians) in heaven"...!!! ???

Robert H. Schuller then says:
"So you believe that "There's a WIDE-ness in God's mercy?"
Graham: "Yes."
This is fantastic, I'm so thrilled to hear you say this!
"There's a WIDE-ness in God's mercy?"
Graham: "There is..."
Billy Graham says, "YES, there is!"

This is HERESAY !!! He / they might as well bow down to Baal.

JESUS says, "WIDE is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction and many there be who go in that way"...
"Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
"Beware of false prophet, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Matt. 7:13-15.
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by Me."
He said, "I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before Me are thieves and robbers." John 10: 7-8.
The Bible confirms...that "there is one GOD, and one Mediator between GOD and men, the man, Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time." 1 Tim. 4:5.
"Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is no other name under heaven among men, whereby we must be saved." Act 4: 12
Jesus warned: "There shall arise false Christ's and false prophets...Matt. 24: 24.
But the LORD says, "I am the door; by Me if any man enter in, he shall be saved." John 10:9.
THE BIBLE says: "At the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ...He shall show who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords..." 1 Tim. 6:14, 15.
The scripture says that God has exalted Jesus, and given Him a name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow...of things in heaven, and thing is earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Philippians 2:9-11.
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Roman 10:9.

SATAN is teaching millions to trust in another Jesus and another Christ...Anti-Christ!!!
2 Thes. 2:3a "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first..."
2Cor 13: 5 "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"

June 2005
Billy Graham in the White House said, "President Clinton should become an evangelist because he has all the gifts"...!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCnxA91fHE&feature=related

So Billy, (John Calvin's Once Saved...Always Saved), Graham...
Is saying in his OLD AGE is that
Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, Jehovah's Wittiness's etc...are all going to heaven via the ONLY LIGHT that they have,
even if they don't know Jesus,
and / or have never heard the name of Jesus and haven't accepted
Jesus Christ into their hearts as LORD and SAVIOR...???!!!

FALSE DOCTRINE IS FROM SATAN
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USAirborne869 says:
Billy Graham Says: I can't play GOD anymore and
Denies Jesus Is "The ONLY WAY to the Father."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sow0gfXXHGY&feature=related

Billy Graham Says Jesus Christ is Not the Only Way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MZWug3QAvs&feature=related

John Calvinism's
Once Saved, Always Saved...
Follower
Billy Graham
Says Jesus Christ
Is Not the Only Way to Heaven ~?! !

1949
THEN:
Bill Graham once preached:
"Everyone thinks that somehow by a hook or by
crook you're going to go to Heaven.
Bless your heart; there is only one road to heaven,
and that's through Jesus Christ.
'There is no other way;' Jesus says, the road is narrow."
-"Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" Graham
Rendition in 1949

NOW:
"There are many things that I don't understand," he [Billy] Says.
Billy Graham says he does not believe that Christians need to take every
verse of the Bible literally; "sincere Christians," he says,
"can disagree about the details of Scripture and theology---absolutely."
"I'm not a literalist in the sense that every single jot and tittle is from the Lord."
Graham says: "This is a little difference in my
thinking throughout the years.
He has, then, moved from
seeing every Word of Scripture as
literally accurate to believing that
parts of the Bible are figurative...
Newsweek Aug. 14, 2006

BILLY GRAHAM now states:
"I used to believe that pagans in far countries
were lost if they did not have the gospel of Christ
preached to them...I no longer believe that."
(I Can't Play God Any More.
McCall's, January, 1978)
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vanwahlgren says:
Someone forgot the obvious question,
"Mr Graham, are you a Chrisitian?"
I have my doubts but kind of assume he is..
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