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CBS News/ November 23, 2011, 10:58 AM

Does Newt Gingrich have an immigration problem after the GOP debate?

Newt Gingrich AP Photo/Evan Vucci


This post originally appeared on Slate.

Did Newt Gingrich have one idea too many? At the CNN national security debate on Tuesday, the former speaker said that he would not be in favor of kicking out illegal immigrant families that had been in the country for a long time. "The party that says it's the party of the family is going to adopt an immigration policy which destroys families that have been here a quarter century?" he said. "I'm prepared to take the heat for saying, 'Let's be humane in enforcing the law.'" (watch below) Michele Bachmann said Gingrich was offering amnesty. Mitt Romney said Gingrich was offering a "magnet" that would encourage more illegal immigration.

A similar moment almost exactly two months ago started Rick Perry's downfall. He said those who didn't agree with his in-state tuition program for the children of undocumented workers were "heartless." In 2008 it was John McCain's support for something conservatives called amnesty that almost killed his campaign.

Whether Gingrich is thrown over the side for his views on immigration will tell us where we are in the Republican nominating race. If he is jettisoned--for this and not the many other reasons--it will mean that conservatives are still looking for the (nonexistent) perfect candidate: One slip up and you're gone, because we've got a hangar full of gleaming models to choose from. If Gingrich does weather this moment, it will mean that the Republican presidential campaign is moving to that inevitable stage at which voters recognize that all candidates are flawed but some are less flawed than others, or have attributes that outweigh their flaws.

After the debate Gingrich stuck to his position on immigration, the broader shape of which is based on a "red card" program put forward by the Krieble Foundation. "Millions will go home," he said after the debate, "but there will be millions who will be staying." He said no one should kid themselves about the unworkability of deporting 11 million people. He also made his case on the grounds of simple human kindness. This, almost exactly, was Ronald Reagan's position. In a 1984 debate with Walter Mondale, the Republican icon said: "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally."

Will this hurt the Republican co-front-runner? Maybe not. There aren't any other candidates left in that closet of Romney alternatives. Voters can't flee to somewhere else. Unlike Perry, who allowed his "heartless" remark to define him, Gingrich is already well defined as a conservative warrior of long-standing. He has other qualities and attributes people know about to help Febreze a momentary rotten egg. On the other hand, this might remind people why Gingrich might not be a safe bet: He has a lot of ideas, and when he thinks he's right, there's no persuading him. This is where Gingrich's imperial tone--which served him well earlier in the debate when he was exhorting his comrades to "break out of the current mindless bureaucracy of this city" and return to "core issues"--might work against him.

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Overall Gingrich hit the GOP sweet spot just as he has in other debates. He had punchy, detailed answers on everything from Social Security reform to the Patriot Act. "I don't want a law that says after we lose a major American city, we're sure going to come and find you. I want a law that says, 'You try to take out an American city, we're going to stop you,'" he said, to great applause.

Romney, meanwhile, had a perfectly fine night. He was competent and avoided hurting himself or letting any other candidate hurt him. He returned frequently to his anti-Obama talking points and the necessity of American strength. He clashed with Jon Huntsman over the pace of withdrawal in Afghanistan, becoming a little more heated than the moment required (which hinted either at personal animus between the two or a bad pre-show burrito). And when Ron Paul said Congress would never cut the defense budget, Romney rolled his eyes up into his hairline, rattling off a host of weapons systems that were on the chopping block. In answer after answer he had figures and details at the ready, at one point citing the need to reach out to the Alawites in Syria.

In one odd moment during the immigration debate Romney seemed to be criticizing Gingrich's plan to allow longtime but undocumented families with ties to the community to stay in the country. Pressed by moderator Wolf Blizer ("Blitz," as Herman Cain called him), Romney said, "I'm not going to start drawing lines here about who gets to stay and who gets to go." But that seemed to be exactly what he was doing in his critique of Gingrich moments before.

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Bachmann argued for continuing aid to Pakistan, saying the country was "too nuclear too fail," (a line she cribbed from a quote in Jeffrey Goldberg and Marc Ambinder's great Atlantic piece on the country). She faced off with Perry, as she did in the last debate, calling his Pakistan policy "hugely na?ve." Bachmann, a member of the House Select Intelligence Committee, has done better in the last two debates on the specifics of foreign policy than she has on domestic issues in the previous debates. By contrast, Cain and Perry were so tentative on most answers it almost seemed as if they were Googling the questions as they were being asked.

The debate probably didn't change the shape of the Republican race too much, though it will take a while to measure the fallout from Gingrich's remarks on immigration. Throughout his rise in the polls, Gingrich, who fancies himself a bit of a futurist, has predicted that a moment might come when he says something that dooms his campaign. We'll know in a week or so whether he called it this time.

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hillarynow says:
For you younger voters, so you know what you may have missed, this liar and creep cheated on his wife, was in the process of cheating on his wife while he was trying to get President Clinton impeached for the same thing! he was found out to be the low life liar and the cheat he is. He was shamed into resigning when they started to figure him out. "There's no question at times of my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked far too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate," he said in an interview with CBN's David Brody. "I was doing things that were wrong."Gingrich was a man driven by his passion for America working hard to change his country, one act of adultery at a time! The conservative has been married three times and divorced twice. Ongoing rumors of Gingrich's sexual exploits have circled for years, including his fondness for oral sex from multiple women and multiple have claimed to have been intimate with the man at one time or another.
In past interviews with the former speaker's second wife, it was revealed that he presented his first wife with divorce papers while she was in the hospital recovering from surgery for cancer in 1980. To ensure his second wife felt she was just as appreciated, Gingrich presented her with divorce papers over the 1999 Mother's Day weekend after she had been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. He broke it to her softly he had found a replacement for her, a woman he had been having an affair with for at least six years. for more go here --> http://www.realchange.org/gingrich.htm
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nancy_naive says:
Does Newt have an immigration problem? No, he's an American lunatic.
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AttyFAM says:
Of course there will be fallout for Gingrich's humane position on immigration. The Republican Party will have nothing to do with being humane. Why, that is almost like being REALLY Christian, not the Christian family values that Republicans espouse, of course. They have nothing to do with being Christian or humane. The Republican Party wants no universal health care, no Hispanics in America, no taxes on the rich, and no social welfare programs. Its platform is simple: "More Money For Those Who Have It."
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TexFandango says:
We need to budget for a change to the Statue of Liberty. What would the cost be of altering the current inscription:

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Following the pure and intransigent demands of social conservatives like Mitt Romney, it should be changed to:

"Give me your engineers, your rich business class yearning for a MacMansion, tired of wretched state TV and in need of 350-channel cable. Send these, the well-protected, affluent, upper-class to me, and I will lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Ah, that's more like it. As for all those malcontents with thoughts of escaping squalor, abject poverty, religious persecution, death squads, kidnappings, and social anarchy: Pull yourselves together and learn to become software designers. Only then will you be welcome.
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TexFandango says:
Consider the financial implications of universal deportation for all illegal immigrants:

11,000,000 illegals x one year incarceration (pre- and post-trial detention) x legal aid & court costs x airfare x law enforcement costs (likely a new government agency tasked solely with investigating, finding, and arresting 11,000,000 illegals) = $847 billion.

Add to those direct costs the indirect costs that will arise when agriculture and service industry costs soar 50+% due to labor shortages. Another $150+ billion. After securing our boarders, you don't think we can find a solution with a better return on investment - let alone one that is more humane?

If the Super Committee can't find $1.3 trillion to cut, where on earth will this additional trillion come from? What price political purity?
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Groscoe replies:
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Where did you go to school?

Put in mandatory e-verify, end anchor babies, control the border and keep track of the legal entrants since 40% of illegal aliens in the country come legally....make it a felony to illegally come or overstay a visa....
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14FREEK says:
Does Gingrich now have an immigration problem? As far as I zm concerned, Newt can go live in mexsco any time he wants to.
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Groscoe replies:
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Si..... Adios
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bajajohn1 says:
Republican cannibalism is good.
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myoleman says:
Newt realizes that adopting a cruel stand on immigration, like the other cnadidates, would win him the conservative votes. But it would cost him most of the Hispanic vote, without which the conservatives stand no chance at all of winning the presidency. America's arrogant attitude against the poor immigrants is one of many reasons why the Lord has taken its favor out of this country. He's a righteous and a merciful God Who will not condone evil.
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myoleman replies:
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TistheSeason,"Unless He's the one committing it, of course."

--Woe to him who calls evil good, and good evil.
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Hutterite says:
Gingrich is still here. I'd say we've ALL got an immigration problem with Gingrich. Take a hint, newt! We can't miss you if you won't go away.
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CQ293 says:
I do not understand this issue with breaking up families. All children, no matter their age even if they are in college, should go back with their parents to the country their parents came from. Just because these children were born here in the US does not make them truly Americans. Only if their parents were Americans. So how would we be breaking up families?You don't split them up, they all get deported.
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todaypost replies:
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If cQ293 follow what he said, he should get out US now unless his parent is native american.
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