August 19, 2009 6:30 PM

Obama Addresses Health Reform Myths with Religious Leaders

By
Stephanie Condon
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Health Care
5192100On a conference call today with thousands of people from various faith communities, President Obama adopted the rhetoric and the spirit of the religious community to forcefully dispel myths about health care reform and to argue for its passage.

"I know there's been a lot of misinformation" about health care reform, Mr. Obama said. "There are some folks that are, frankly, bearing false witness."

The president told listeners on the call, organized by religious groups as part of a 40-day initiative to promote health care reform, that his reform plan would give the uninsured affordable, quality options, while those who already have insurance would benefit from "common sense" consumer protections.

The president directly addressed a number of pervasive rumors about his proposals.

The allegation that health care legislation would set up "death panels," Mr. Obama said, is "just an extraordinary lie." He also rebutted false claims that health coverage would be provided for undocumented immigrants, that there would be government funding for abortions and that there would be a "government takeover" of health care.

These fabrications, Mr. Obama said, are distracting the country from its "core ethical and moral obligation... that we look out for one another."

"In the wealthiest nation on earth, we are neglecting to live up to that call," he said.

After kicking off the conference call with a prayer led by Dr. Cynthia Hale, senior pastor of 6,000-member Ray of Hope Christian Church in Decatur, Georgia, religious leaders echoed the president's message that there is a moral imperative for health care reform.

Rev. Jim Wallis, president of Sojourners, one of the groups sponsoring the initiative, said he has been "deeply concerned" by the shouting and hostility at town tall meetings. He said the fatih community is putting out "a clear call for truth telling" in the health care debate, and is "calling on people of faith to make our political representatives understand the faith community will be satifisied by nothing less than accessible, affordable care for all Americans."

Along with today's call with the president, the 40-day religious campaign for health care includes television advertisments, prayer vigils, rallies and a number of other means of promoting reform, which faith leaders described on the call.

Father Bob Amundsen, pastor of the 1,200-family Immaculate Conception Catholic Church in Lafayette, Colo., described how his church has helped organize town halls and held a public showing of a health care documentary followed by a discussion. The contact information for local representatives is published in the church's bulletin, Amundsen said, to urge the congregation to get in touch with them.

"For us as Catholic Christians, we see this as a moral issue," he said, "in which we carry on the healing ministry of Jesus."

White House Policy Chief Melody Barnes also participated in the call, answering questions about Mr. Obama's plans.

"I would say that health reform is at the crux of being a faithful steward of our resources," Barnes said.

One caller asked Barnes whether Catholics interested in seeing universal health care coverage had to be worried about abortion coverage.

"The president has said it's longstanding policy federal funds won't be used for abortion coverage," Barnes said, adding that people "should be able to purchase coverage that reflects their values and basic needs."

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by daisyjingles September 9, 2009 11:59 AM EDT
by gracieallan August 24, 2009 2:38 AM EDT
daisyjingles,

I see a huge difference between the government protecting people from crime (ie, being poisoned by someone) and the government forcing an individual to pay for someone else's medical bills. Those are two very separate camps in my mind. One is an act of charity, belonging to the church, the other is an act of law enforcement, belonging to the civil magistrate.


daisyjingles answers: Yet we pay for the medical bills of our senators and representatives, for secret service details for them and so on for all employees who work for the government. The question is whether the health care available for those lucky people should be available for all of us. Through taxes we may for health care for many in this country. No health care for a cancer patient is just like feeding them poison. Failing to keep the air we breathe clean is just like poison. Do you get it?
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by bcpats August 20, 2009 11:07 AM EDT
From all that I hear being said or what is read...... the MAJORITY of US citizens have insurance. Of the 47 (+-) million that supposedly do not have..... many are not insured by choice (young working adults that would prefer to spend that money on other things), more are under-insured, some are too poor (but can get medical care anytime at an ER or through Medicaid), then the rest are illegals or others that do not want or bother to get coverage (some religious beliefs). The MINORITY is ruling in this case........ stroking the political ego of the dems by telling their tales of woe (and being acknowledged) - - regardless of what the MAJORITY of the 'regular' citizen wants (being ignored).
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by daisyjingles August 20, 2009 5:01 PM EDT
There was a news feature about cancer patients in Nevada. Because the state of Nevada has lost revenue due to people not coming to gamble because of the economy, the free clinic for cancer patients was eliminated. When cancer patients arrived for previously scheduled chemotherapy, they were told that part of the hospital had closed. It was a death sentence for some of them. So, no bcpats, not everybody poor can get medical care anytime at an ER or through medicaid. Do your homework.
by hungry1968-16 August 20, 2009 8:46 AM EDT
by jsd330 August 19, 2009 11:02 PM EDT
And the Dems have opposed anything that is good for business. Dems= anti business, more taxes and social hand outs.







You think that forcing employers to pay $15,000 PER EMPLOYEE for health insurance is a "good idea", and you absurdly think that you know what's best for business?!?!
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by ErnestNM August 20, 2009 12:35 AM EDT
by reveal5 August 19, 2009 9:30 PM EDT
Look, can it just be taken as a given that Republicans lie, distort, and deceive as a way of life? This seems clearly to be historically correct and proven true over and over in widely varying situational examples.

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I used to be a swing voter. I voted primarily Democratic, but voted for Reagan once and Bush (Jr) once. The criminality of the Bush administration opened my eyes. The hypocracy of the morally degraded Republican Congressmen who were busted for the very things they publically denounced (and legislated against!) floored me. Then I started to realize how seduced I had become by listening to 'Fixed News' and other wackos like Glen Beck...who I really believed at the time were telling the truth!

But now, it is the constant lying and deception of the far right (and Republicans in general) in the face of "unrefutable proof of the truth" in virtually any position they take that is simply unbelievable. They simply do not care at all if they get caught lying...or maybe they are so deluded that they don't think people can see right through them.

I will never vote for a Republican again...ever. If, for any future election I vote in, the only opposition to a Republican opponent is a 'drunk off the street'....well, the drunk gets my vote!
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by daisyjingles August 20, 2009 12:33 AM EDT
gracieallen says: If I share with the starving person because I choose to, that is charity (and good). If I "share" with the starving person because someone holds me to the ground, takes money from my wallet and gives the starving person, then I have been robbed. Do you see the difference?

DaisyJingles answers: The problem, Graciallen, is that a starving person is too weak to rob me or any body else.
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by ErnestNM August 20, 2009 12:03 AM EDT
by gracieallan August 19, 2009 11:02 PM EDT
Christianity does address the issue. The Bible is specific about caring for the poor and we are remiss if we neglect to do this. However, the Bible is also specific in allocating this responsibility. Caring for the poor is never delegated by God to the state (ie, the government). It is delegated to the church and to individuals. When the state steps in and tries to take over responsibilities that are not its business, it becomes a usurper. If we allow the state to overstep its boundaries, we will live in tyranny.

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So, then I quess that you believe that the state should not pass laws banning abortion since that is a decision (and the consequences) delegated, by God, to the individual concerned?

I personally prefer for my "caring for the poor" to happen through a comprehensive government program augmented by any particular "caring for the poor" as I entounter it.

After 56 years of life experiences, I simply do not trust business entities to handle that since they operate under a profit motive. And, when profit is concerned, people will always lie, cheat, and steal...a little at first, and then more later on. The stock market of late has taught us all that.
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by Marie_S4424 August 20, 2009 12:26 AM EDT
Since when did obama begin spewing phrases from the Bible?

Whatever happened to separation between church and state?!?
Only whenever it isn't convenient?
by Marie_S4424 August 20, 2009 12:32 AM EDT
The Bible says that THE CHURCH not Caesar is to take care of the poor, widows, and orphans.
by drsuz August 19, 2009 10:48 PM EDT
by flsunjnky August 19, 2009 9:15 PM EDT
Would you like to ask someone that is dieing of cancer what the rush is? Would you like to ask someone that has CP what the rush is? Would you like to ask someone that has diabetes that has no insurance what the rush is?

Why should I? According to todays news:
ATLANTA, Aug. 19 -- Life expectancy in the U.S. has hit an all-time high, the CDC reported.

In 2007, the average American lived to 77.9 years, up from 77.7 the year before, according to a preliminary report from the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics based on death certificates.

Life expectancy has been on the rise for both sexes for at least a decade, the agency said. And although women still live longer than men (80.4 years versus 75.3), men are closing the gap. In 1979, women lived 7.8 years longer than men; that difference is down to 5.1 years.

The mortality rate also fell for the eighth year in a row from 776.5 per 100,000 in 2006 to 760.3 in 2007, with nearly half of all deaths (48.5%) from heart disease and cancer.

August 19, 2009- Chicago Sun Times
By MONIFA THOMAS Health Reporter / mjthomas@suntimes.com

Americans are living longer than they ever have (77.9 years), while deaths from heart disease, cancer and diabetes continue to drop, the government reported today.
Robert Anderson, of the CDC?s National Center for Health Statistics, said Americans are living longer because of significant declines in many of the leading causes of death ? including heart disease, cancer, diabetes and stroke.

Look at that!! OMG!! I bet this puts a crimp in Obamacare. Now all he has to do is go out and educate people on the difference between emergency rooms and free clinics.
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by jaykay3141 August 20, 2009 10:43 PM EDT
Let's find some other apples to compare to by doing something most neocons refuse to, and look outside the American bubble at what the rest of the world has!

Source - The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency World Factbook:

Japan - 82.1 years
Australia - 81.6
Canada - 81.2
France - 81.0
Sweden - 80.7
New Zealand - 80.4
Italy - 80.2
Spain - 80.0
Norway - 80.0
Greece - 79.7
and so on. What's common to all these countries? UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.

You have to get down to places like Cyprus and Jordan before you find life expectancies comparable to those the U.S.!! All that 77.8 figure says is that we're very slightly less worse than a year ago.

Stop the chest-thumping about how great we are and wake up to the fact that our insistence on employer-provided insurance might have worked 60 years ago but it's now on the edge of collapse. Instead of trying to defend a failed status quo by endlessly shouting "we're number one", let's learn from what DOES work in the rest of the world.
by hungry1968-16 August 19, 2009 10:38 PM EDT
by AlabamaBrainTrust August 19, 2009 10:19 PM EDT
YOU DISMISS THE FEAR THAT THE RIGHT HAS ABOUT WHERE "REFORM" TODAY IS GOING TOMORROW.

BY CREATING ANOTHER HUGE, TILLION DOLLAR, FOREVER ENTITLEMENT, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL ONE DAY BE FORCE TO CUT BACK ON PROCEDURES FOR THE ELDERLY. MEDICARE IS BEING BANKRUPTED BY SENIOR CARE IN THE LAST YEAR OF LIFE.....ACTUALLY IT IS QUITE REASONABLE TO ASSUME/EXPECT/CLAIM THAT OBAMA'S PROPOSED "END OF LIFE" DISCUSSION WILL LEAD TO END OF LIFE DECISIONS.






Take your fear mongering to where it belongs: GOP headquarters or the city dump.

No one believes this BS, except you brainwashed "hate America" neo cons.
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by drsuz August 19, 2009 9:55 PM EDT
Sure, the government is forcing states to remove any monument that may have the 10 commandments on it out of its buildings, parks, ect. that have been there for centuries, because of a few cry-babies. Yet now the government can invade our church services for political reasons. Well it works two ways Obama-baby. If we are forced to keep religion out of government, keep you FRIGGIN government out of our religion!! Its bad enough we have to hear your whiney voice five days a week on TV.
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by hungry1968-16 August 19, 2009 9:53 PM EDT
The allegation that health care legislation would set up "death panels," Mr. Obama said, is "just an extraordinary lie." He also rebutted false claims that health coverage would be provided for undocumented immigrants, that there would be government funding for abortions and that there would be a "government takeover" of health care.






IT'S ABOUT FRIGGIN' TIME THAT YOU CALLED THESE LIES, INSTEAD OF TAP DANCING AND PUSSSY FOOTING AROUND THIS BS!!!!
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by gracieallan August 19, 2009 11:33 PM EDT
I can't help but remember the arguments that happened in the early years of legalized abortion. Remember how rare they were all going to be? Even the most outrageous doomsayer of that day never predicted how severe the reality actually became (4,000 abortions daily, half-born viable infants having their skulls crushed as a legal medical procedure). It's not unreasonable to project what may come. History has unfortunately shown what unfettered government is capable of.
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