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CBS News/ April 29, 2009, 9:49 AM

Military NYC Flyover Cost $328,000

(AP Photo/Jason McLane)
Along with scaring New Yorkers, the military flyover of lower Manhattan on Monday cost taxpayers $328,835, reports WCBS in New York. That bill includes $300,658 for the larger plane, which flew a three-hour mission, and about $28,178 for two F-16 jets, which flew 1.8 hours each, said Air Force spokeswoman Vicki Stein.

It's also been learned that federal officials knew that sending two fighter jets and an Air Force One flying at low altitudes over the statue of Liberty and Ground Zero might spark fears of a 9/11 repeat, when two commercial jet liners were piloted into the World Trade Center buildings.

In a memo obtained by CBS 2 HD the Federal Aviation Administration's James Johnston said the agency was aware of "the possibility of public concern regarding DOD (Department of Defense) aircraft flying at low altitudes" in and around New York City. But they demanded total secrecy from the NYPD, the Secret Service, the FBI and even the mayor's office and threatened federal sanctions if the secret got out.

A furious President Barack Obama ordered an internal review of the low-flying photo op over the Statue of Liberty.

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bobnjersey says:
[Sorry, no legs on that one. Try again, paid shill. ]
[Posted by weedapeapl at 1:48 PM : Apr 29, 2009 ]

looks like some more incorrect and baseless presumption on your part ... you seem to resort to this quite easily ... my guess with whatever 'fits' qualifies ... and whatever doesn't is rejected.

there's plenty of legs on that one.

the point is why are you all so concerned about how much everything costs when it never seemed to be an issue w/ the guy you are all aligned with ideologically?

why weren't you questioning everything gwb did that was questionable ... the mission accomplished waste of money ... the vacation trips to the fake ranch in texas ... etc?

why are calling obama stupid ... when it was the last guy that was the moron in charge ... and everybody but all the auth followers the world over knew it?
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bobnjersey says:
[You seem to be operating on the premise that President Obama is incapable of lying and covering up his own glaring mistake. ]
[Posted by weedapeapl at 1:39 PM : Apr 29, 2009 ]

i'm operating on the premise of common sense.

you on the hand ... are operating on the presumption that he's an empty suit who isn't eligible to be president since he wasn't born in the us ... he's a muslim terrorist mole who will enact sharia law in the united states ... he'll ban all gun ownership for 300 million americans ... and he's the first president to utilize a deficit spending model in his budget.

now that the comparisons of world view are out of the way ... back to the question at hand:

if he did know and approve ... then publicly stated that he didn't ... the minute anyone can show that he did know his credibility is undermined.

why would he do this? why would a guy who was smart enough ... despite his empty suit status according you idiots ... rise above it all ... to get a degree from harvard ... then get a law degree ... then serve as the editor of the harvard law review ... then go into politics ... then unseat the presumptive nominee from the dem party ... and then win the presidency of the united states ... do something so ridiculously stupid?

why?
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bobnjersey says:
[With him, I'd believe he's capable of anything stupid. ]
[Posted by weedapeapl at 1:39 PM : Apr 29, 2009 ]

only because this would fit with your current belief. and you'll never believe anything else ... even when it's been proven beyond any doubt.

you'll still ruminate about the hypothetical ... couching it in the context of real ... regardless of any proof provided.

keep trying though ... i'll be here to show how absurd it is.
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weedapeapl says:
Has anybody calculated the bill on what it costs to land a Navy fighter on a carrier with a "Mission Accomplished" banner?
Posted by truth-2-power at 12:23 PM : Apr 29, 2009

Air Force One cost $300,000 on this trip.

Both fighter planes together cost only $30,000.

Sorry, no legs on that one. Try again, paid shill.
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weedapeapl says:
not to many people in New York know what AF1 looks like and to think AF1 could get hijacked. Someones been watching to many movies. I wasn't there but really, COME ON!
Posted by familyguy38 at 11:31 AM : Apr 29, 2009

One indication of a cover-up is the lengths to which some posters are going to create a smokescreen of derision against the people in NYC who saw the plane.

No doubt these are paid shills.

From the ground, most people did not see the plane clearly enough or long enough to identify it.

All they knew is, they saw a very large aircraft making very unusual maneuvers, and in the vicinity of the 9/11 attack.

The jet fighter escort would have added to the fear, because this is also highly out of the ordinary. You just don't see many jetliners with a fighter escort.

And finally, the memo reported in this news item recognized the potential for causing alarm.

You must be very desperate to discredit the very real fears of the people on the ground.

That is a very dangerous thing to do.
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weedapeapl says:
you can't do it ... because there isn't one ... even though you completely believe you have it figured out.
Posted by bobnjersey at 11:29 AM : Apr 29, 2009

But with all that said - it WAS a hypothetical question, and your blustering response has halfway answered it.

IF it turns out Obama really is the one who gave the go-ahead - would you still persist in your statement that he should be fired?

Because I would agree with that.
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weedapeapl says:
do you think he would stand up and say he didn't know when he did know? when others could easily indicate that he did.
Posted by bobnjersey at 11:29 AM : Apr 29, 2009

Denial is the first part of any cover up.

And any of his subordinates who tattle tale on the president - well, you figure it out.

If you're capable of logical thought.

You seem to be operating on the premise that President Obama is incapable of lying and covering up his own glaring mistake.

The simple fact is - given the warning that panic was likely, NOBODY would be such a fool as to proceed without a go-ahead from the president himself.

And why would the president be so stupid?

This is Obama we're talking about. The one who bowed to the Saudi king. And then lied. I saw the video myself. So I know the White House is fully capable of a clumsy attempt at a cover up.

With him, I'd believe he's capable of anything stupid.
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weedapeapl says:
lets see a few people get fired, then nobama will be doing something!
Posted by grabandgo at 10:51 AM : Apr 29, 2009

Yes exactly. Until we see action, it's all talk.
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bobnjersey says:
[Funny thing about this is that obviously not to many people in New York know what AF1 looks like and to think AF1 could get hijacked. Someones been watching to many movies. I wasn't there but really, COME ON! ]
[Posted by familyguy38 at 11:31 AM : Apr 29, 2009 ]

for those that were in the city on 9/11 ... it's not funny at all.

it wasn't funny on that day ... it wasn't the other day ... and it won't be on the day they return to attack again ... which they surely will.

those in nyc know all too well what a large commercial jet looks like ... especially when it's flying as low as this one was. and then to trail it with a fighter jet ... all while it's making maneuvers that you never see a large aircraft making ... what should they have been thinking it was?

nearly everyone thought crashing commercial airliners into skyscrapers was all too hollywood as well ... until it actually happened.
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truth-2-power says:
Has anybody calculated the bill on what it costs to land a Navy fighter on a carrier with a "Mission Accomplished" banner? Was that bill to be paid by selling our seaports to Dubai (nice try Dubya)?

For that matter, how much does a Marine One flyover New Orleans post Katrina photo op cost? Did the acting lessons to project empathy over apathy cost extra?

I wonder how much it cost the taxpayers for Airforce One to fly #43 to vacation in Crawford TX 9 months out of the year multiplied by 8 years.

BTW, that was a Pentagon combined training mission/photo op, hence the name AIR FORCE One. Last time I checked Obama wasn't a pilot.

Since when did the Republicans start caring about Pentagon expenses anyway???
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