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CBS News/ October 11, 2011, 8:51 PM

Huntsman: I thought Cain 9-9-9 plan was "price of pizza"

Updated 9:25 p.m. Eastern Time

Republican presidential candidate Jon Huntsman mocked rival Herman Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan at the Republican presidential debate Tuesday night, quipping, as "It's a catchy phrase, in fact I thought it was the price of a pizza."

"Here's what we need, something that's doable-doable-doable," Huntsman continued during the Bloomberg/Washington Post debate in New Hampshire.

He called for phasing out "all of the corporate welfare, all of the subsidies, because we can't afford it any longer, in a revenue-neutral fashion" and a reduction in the corporate tax rate from 35 to 25 percent.

Cain, the former Gofather's Pizza CEO who has shot to the top of polls of Republican presidential candidates, responded that his 9-9-9 tax plan - a proposal to replace the current tax code with a nine percent flat income tax, a nine percent corporate tax and a nine percent national sales tax - "will pass and it is not the price of pizza, because it has been well-studied and well-developed. It starts with, unlike your proposals, throwing out the current tax code."

He went on to say the plan, which economists say would reduce the revenue coming into the government, starts with "throwing out the current tax code." (Cain claims the plan is revenue neutral, and said during the debate that analysis that says otherwise is "incorrect" because his plan "expands the base.")

Rep. Michele Bachmann also hammered Cain's plan, saying, "The 9-9-9 plan isn't a jobs plan, it is a tax plan." She complained that the plan gives Congress a new "revenue stream" that will be impossible to keep under control, and her campaign later sent reporters an email suggesting it would "wreck the economy."

"You turn the 9-9-9 plan upside down, and the devil's in the details," she said -- possibly suggesting that the plan was actually "6-6-6" -- the "number of the beast" in the Bible.

Rick Santorum also said the plan "cannot pass" because a nine percent sales tax couldn't be implemented in a state like New Hampshire, which has no sales tax, and echoed Bachmann's comment that giving the Senate power over an income tax is a bad idea. 

And Rick Perry said "I don't need 9-9-9, we don't need any plan to pass Congress," He called for a president to "free up this country's entrepreneurs."

Cain later challenged Mitt Romney to name every part of his 59-point economic plan, saying his plan is simple and transparent by comparison. Romney responded that problems are not always as simple as you might want them to be, then went on to lay out some of his proposals, though not tru to name all 59 points.

Responding to the notion that the Congress will increase the sales tax about nine percent, Cain said later that he would require Congress to mandate that a 2/3rds vote be required to raise the tax -- something that some scholars have suggested is unconstitutional.

For what it's worth, the #1 "Pizza Package" at Godfather's is currently going for...$9.99.

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e33ie says:
Pizza comments. About as lame as you can get, Jon Huntsman. Well, it may be more lame to state 9-9-9 is the sign of the devil upside-down. Tsk tsk Michelle Bachman. Snark instead of substance.
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james0tempe says:
Anyone with the power to go to Congress and say, literally, "begin by throwing out the current Tax Code", should set his sights on *much* bigger goals than mere tax reform! Mr. Cain doesn't seem to understand that he won't actually have the authority to do what he proposes to do.
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Samlv says:
Turns out, the old Sim City video game came up with that plan a long time ago.

Nice! We have Cain copying an idea created by stoned game programmers.

Way cool, dude.
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noloyalisti says:
Cain is a real clown. We know where he is coming from. Help the Top 1% at the expense of the 99%. That is how Republicons roll and this imbecile Cain just comes right out and admits it all.
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Brainy_Lee says:
Don't be fooled, people.
With Cain 999 tax, a family of 4 which earns $40K per year will have to pay federal tax $7200 = 18% because a family of 4 will spend all 40K for their living
With Cain 999 tax, a family of 4 which earns $40 million per year will have to pay $ 3.6 million = 9% and 90K on sale tax (assume they spend 1 million). So the rich family only pay $3.69 million over 40 million or 9.225%.
Sale tax is tax to the poor. The poor pay 18%, the rich pay 9+% . Stop liar GOP
In addition, the state sale tax is already out there between 6 to 10 %. Adding 9% to sale tax will help the economy.... go down!! What a plan!
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Samlv replies:
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You missed some things -- the dividends and interest on the zillionaire's investments will get taxed, as will consumption by everyone who now simply doesn't declare cash income of all stripes.

Besides, it was never fair that some people paid no tax in the first place, rich or poor.
james0tempe replies:
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The truly rich don't have "income". They have *wealth*, which is only taxed on its growth. But the truly wealthy don't even need growth. If income taxes become punitive, the wealthy (and only the wealthy) can afford to stop generating taxable income.
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David_Chowes says:
Perry: after his last night's debate performance he is fin.
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rdsxfan says:
The so called experts are saying the 9-9-9 plan won't work the flat tax won't work the fair tax won't work, all I know is what we have don't work and the experts are part of the tax problem. We should not listen to these so called experts, they are the ones who put us in the position we are.
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noloyalisti replies:
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Flat tax is the most regressive type of tax and is COMPLETELY UNFAIR the less money you make.
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Progress4USA says:
I gotts a coupon for the 6-6-6 deal!
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noloyalisti says:
Did you hear what the wacko idiot Cainn said about 99% of Americans? If you are poor, it is YOUR fault. If you lost your house or job it is YOUR fault. If you get sick it is YOUR fault.

And this is the Republicon front runner? Sad, sick, uneducated failed country America is.
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Samlv replies:
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Ah, there will be a new front-runner shortly; they're just on rotation.

Besides, only a black man can end PC/EEO, so, ya never know.
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lg144 says:
Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan consist of 9 inch pizza with 9 toppings for 9 dollars.
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noloyalisti replies:
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Well Cain is a extremist libertarian who does not even recognize there is a problem with black people in America (racism, high jailing rates, high unemployment, drug problems). What an idiot!

And his flat tax proposal of 999 is as regressive as it gets and costs the poor the most (who already pay a higher percentage in tax than the richest Americans).
hightekkrednek replies:
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alot of things can be said here.. different views/opinions, bad grammer or spelling(i lead the way on bad grammer).. but you really show a portion of the ignorance that has brought us to where we are now. im not personally attacking you, its probably not even your fault that you are a product of whatever your environment might be.. geological as well as family upbringing.. or lack there of. surely you have a much more informative view to donate to us in exchange for the wasted time it took to read your post.. the 1.3 seconds were brain cell crushing. now, please excuse me while i go kick myself in the face(or other choice areas) for lowering myself down to your level and running my mouth just to hear myself talk. have a wonderful day:)
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