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Lucy Madison /

CBS News/ July 5, 2011, 3:53 PM

White House reportedly offers cuts to Medicaid, Medicare, in deficit talks

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Amid ongoing efforts to work out a deal to raise the debt ceiling, the New York Times reports that the White House is offering up tens of billions of dollars' worth of reductions in Medicaid and Medicare programs - if Republicans agree to increase tax revenues.

Cutting short their Fourth of July recess, senators returned to Washington on Tuesday in an effort to reach a deal on reducing the deficit, without which Republicans have said they will not vote for an increase in the debt ceiling.

And while CBS News senior White House correspondent Bill Plante reports that there are currently no talks scheduled between congressional Republicans and the White House to discuss the deal, negotiators appear to be working on a proposal that would cut funds from Medicare and Medicaid without majorly overhauling them or imposing direct new costs on beneficiaries.

The Times says Republicans and White House negotiators "had reached substantial agreement on many cuts in the growth of Medicare... and Medicaid" before the talks imploded 12 days ago, and that those proposed cuts will still be on the table during discussions this week.

"Negotiators said they were seriously considering cuts in Medicare payments to hospitals for uncollectible patient debt and the training of doctors; steps to eliminate Medicare 'overpayments' to nursing homes; a reduction in the federal share of some Medicaid spending; and new restrictions on states' ability to finance Medicaid by imposing taxes on hospitals and other health care providers," according to the Times.

However, that deal is apparently contingent on Republicans agreeing to increases in tax revenues - a move that the GOP has staunchly opposed since the beginning of the talks, and which has by most accounts proved the cause of the current standstill in negotiations.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has said the United States has until August 2 to raise its statutory limit on how much money the United States can borrow. The U.S. reached its $14.3 debt limit in May, but the Treasury Department is using what it has described as "extraordinary" accounting measures to run the government in the interim. White House officials have said recently that Congress needs to reach a deal by July 22 in order to meet the August deadline. Some Republicans, however, have questioned that deadline.

Republicans and Democrats alike have warned against pushing up against the July deadline.

"We are running up against this deadline," Sen. John Cornyn, R-Tex., said on "Fox News Sunday." "And they're going to try to present it as a fait accompli; nobody is going to have time to read it or consider the implications of it, and it's going to say you have to pass it or the economy is going down the tubes. That's just irresponsible."

On CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday, Mass. Gov. Deval Patrick argued that "the hard right" in particular was acting irresponsibly in the debt limit talks, and that their playing political "brinksmanship" with the economy was inappropriate.

"The full and faith credit of the most important and the largest and most prosperous economy in the world is important," Patrick told CBS News Chief Washington Correspondent Bob Schieffer. "And the notion [of] playing brinksmanship with it, as some in the hard right seem to want to do in Washington, is irresponsible."

Still, neither side has yet proved willing to cave on the issue of tax hikes.

According to the Hill, Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., reached out to President Obama on Tuesday to "get together and talk about what's actually possible."

McConnell made a similar invitation last week, which White House press secretary Jay Carney apparently declined on the basis that the GOP definition of "what's possible" failed to include tax increases.

"We know that position," Carney said on Thursday during his press briefing. "That's not a conversation worth having."

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kormathaw1 says:
I think the Conservatives should take the bait and run with it. Agree to the most common sense tax increases, to start in 5-10 years when the recession is over, based on certain economic milestones. Then push for a balanced budget ammendment with a spending cap.
These narrow sighted Liberals who think when you make $2100 a month, and spend $3900 a month, that the problem is you need to make more money, not spend less. And the only solution they have is to mug your boss for $350 and pray you don't lose your job. (replace thousands with trillions and month with year and these are actual budgetary numbers).
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simpleconservative says:
Funny how the only answer Democrats ever have is to steal more money. Pick the pockets of anyone who they can demonize. How much more of our labors will we allow them to steal? The truly greedy in America are the political unproductive class. Their appetites are insatiable and demonizing producers who create every penny that they spend is not a solution to our problem. Our Problem is a spending problem. We currently produce 2,500 billion dollars in tax revenues. That is more than 208 million millions per month. Paying our debt and any other move needed should not be a problem for a chief executive with a single brain cell in his head. Do not buy into the panic. Just insist that government pays it's interest on debt before anything else!
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arthanyel replies:
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This is pure conservative propaganda. There is no legal way for the government to "keep making payments on the debt" while other things stop, because all the money that's being debated in contractually obligated and there isnt enough rvenue stream to cover even the minimum.

One other key thing you don't seem to understand, simpleconservative, is that if the US defaults on its debts by not raising the debt limit, not only will we see immediate and drastic impacts on all Americans from the rise in interest rates and the shutdown of services, there is an even bigger impact - default would be the final straw to have the world move away from the US Dollar as a reference currency. China, Russia and Brazil have been working to move away from the dollar for years, and the default would give them the necessary leverage to make the change.

Every currency that trades freely in the world is valued against the US dollar, the reference currency. If that changes, then our dollars will float and be valued against some other reference currency. And that will almost immediately mean our currency will be devalued, increasing prices on EVERY FOREIGN IMPORT, and decreasing our prices for things we sell outside the US. The cumulative impact of higher interest rates and a devalued currency will be catastrophic.

And once this change happens, reversing it will be extremely difficult and will take many years if it can be done at all - in the meantime, we'll all suffer. If you think the current economy is rough, try thinking about everything that you buy going up 10% to 20% in price while your wages fall about the same amount.

If that's what you want, vote Republican. If not, vote against them. I can't blanketly recommend voting Democrat either because they have just as many problems (although different ones) but if our only choice is economic holocaust or putting the Democrats back into the majority in 2012, I'd rather spank the Republicans while working towards a REAL third option for 2014 and beyond.
retm-w replies:
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Funny how the republicans want to steal from the seniors, steal workers rights try to turn the U.S. into a third world country where there are only rich and poor.
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RobAla says:
Before we start whacking Medicare and Medicaid, why doesn't President Obama dump the horrible health care law that costs the taxpayers $105 billion in new spending each year? Americans are decidedly against it, and it should be a political no brainer.

Poll Date Sample For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
RCP Average 5/8 - 7/2 -- 38.6 50.4 Against/Oppose +11.8
Rasmussen Reports* 7/2 - 7/2 1000 LV 39 53 Against/Oppose +14
Associated Press/GfK 6/16 - 6/20 1001 A 36 46 Against/Oppose +10
CNN/Opinion Research 6/3 - 6/7 1015 A 39 56 Against/Oppose +17
CBS News 6/3 - 6/7 1024 A 37 48 Against/Oppose +11
Politico/GWU/Battleground* 5/8 - 5/12 1000 LV 42 49 Against/Oppose +7

The answer is that President Obama would have to admit his crown jewel achievement amounts to crap. He will hang on this this garbage of a health care law with a political death grip, regardless of the wishes of the majority of Americans.
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RobAla replies:
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slownewsdayo: Are you trying to make the case that only the wishes of the minority of the left wing matters in this country? 38.5% support this horrible law, and 50.4% of Americans are against it. Americans are free to vote, and the majority decide the direction of the country in US elections. You can't be serious.
The Invisible Hand replies:
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Rob,

How many Americans were asked in this poll you are using, I would guess between 800 to 1200.

My point is Polls are used as a toll to islead the viewer and shape their opinion to whatever the media wants you to see.
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whatata2d says:
Mainly in response to your-one-king. Let me see if I have this clear. I have worked for 47 years this month. I have never collected any government funded program. I have paid my taxes and my FICA and Medicare deductions fully, every year. I have helped to support my family when my husband was still alive. I still work to support myself . . . and you have the unmitigated gall to say " . . . they want something for nothing". You sir are an idiot with the ability to type! I paid my dues in this country, and I continue to do so, while so many of you who were laid off with the recession whine and cry "there aren't any jobs" and collect for any and all services available, and most of you are probably too young to have even paid even a small portion of the tax money being used to support you! Hey people, a free country doesn't come cheap! It is paid for with taxes and the lives of many of our soldiers. If anyone doesn't like it here, there are several places you could move, where you wouldn't be complaining like this, because you wouldn't be allowed to complain. Grow up and put on your "big girl/boy panties", our government is far from perfect - but it's better than any other I've ever heard of, and if you want a better functioning one, quit re-electing all the career politicians and and replace them with some well-educated business minded people who may actually have some ideas.
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bajajohn1 replies:
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You are wasting your time talking to 'your one queen'...he is so far right...he isn't even in the stadium.
arthanyel replies:
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*applauds* Well said, whatata2D.
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askagain says:
It looks like we shot ourselves in the foot with healtrh care reform. Contrary to what we were told, the reforms will be very costly and will drive-up the deficit even further. You can not insure an additional 30 million people without money to do it. At first we were assured that the only money coming from Medicare would be from waste and fraud. Now we are being told that Medicare will be reduced without reducing benefits. What a sham. Taxes on hospitals and health care providers will simply raise the cost of health care and our insurance premiums. In a Washington Post article about insurance companies buying up doctor practices, a spokesman for an insurance company stated that the insurance companues are the real winners with health care reform. Is this what we bought into?
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jimbom121 replies:
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This is different than the law passed last year. You don't like this...tell Republicans to accept tax hikes...there's nothing left to cut.
askagain replies:
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jimbom121 - That is silly. The government hasn't even begun to cut. Thousands of things can be cut. Free school breakfasts, free school lunches, free after school care, foodstamps, rent subsidies, free condoms, and needle exchange programs to name a few.
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imnho says:
If the republicans are not readyfor a resonable compromise soon there will be a great depression. I think they hope that any depression caused by there intransience will be blamed on the democrats. If the depression is not blamed on the democrats it maybe the end of the GOP as a politcal party.

If they go to far it may be the end of the country and then it will not matter who gets the blame. Its very strange that the GOP will risk the economic distruction of the country for short term gain. What good will it do to win the 2012 elections if the country ceases to exsit in 2013? They will have reached the top of the ladder with the ladder having no support. They will find the trip down to be long and most unenjoyable. The main concern I have is that they looks at the middle class being distroyed as mere collateral damage.

It does not seem to occur to them that there will be no country without a middle class.
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arthanyel replies:
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b4uigo - your comments are mostly rubbish. See my comments above for the impact of defaulting on the debt. The impact effects everyone, and the middle class is struggling to make ends meet already - the gap between the wealthiest 5% and the average citizen is the largest it has been in American history.

And see whatata2d's comments above as well for the complete counter to your comments.

Yes, the top 1% paid 38% of the personal income taxes, which is not unfair since they own more than 70% of all the wealth, and historically the economy has expanded faster when tax rate son the rich were HIGH, not when they are low. Check out the facts if you are honest enough to do it.
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noloyalisti says:
You are right, fascism is the end result of predatory capitalism. I think we are there now. The longer we go along with the giant corporate agenda, the harder it is going to be for all of us. We need to shut it down via general strikes as soon as possible.
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b4uigo replies:
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noloyal is just a Marxist who would see us all under a govt controlled society. Is there nothing you think the govt should not control?
bajajohn1 replies:
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Noloyal is correct, Brulgo or Igor is totally wrong.
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lucifersshadow says:
This is incredable stupidity. The debt ceiling was placed there for a reason, during more rational times. Do you really believe that raising it is going to motivate politicians to stop spending our hard-earned tax dollars? If you do you probably bought into the B** S** about bailing out the banks too . . . . but look, the banks own more homes than the American people do. This is the result of unbridaled capitalism. "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini "Fascism is capitalism in decay. " Vladimir Lenin
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jimbom121 replies:
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The raising of the debt ceiling is to pay for spending that has already been authorized.
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jt92202 says:
Cut all of their pay and get rid of their on going medical (forever), they can do what the rest of the US Citizens do!! They (Those in WA DC) want us to be on the New Health Care so can they, they also can be on SS if they qualify and since 60+% of them are million/billionaires they can take care of themselves when they leave office!! They voted for their own medical, pay and retirement normal people get theirs from their bosses or company they work for and don't get to decide what that will be. Why should they get to figure out what kind of special treatment they get! Term Limits are needed!!! Close the loopholes and stop Substities (big oil can pay for their own R&D), THEN lets talk about tax increases!!!
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jimbom121 replies:
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Putting government workers in social security is triple the amount of the pensions because right now the government contributes approximately 2% of each employee's pay towards the pension, under social security they would be required to put in the 6.2% employer contribution. Be careful of what you wish for.

And what Republican will agree to raising taxes?
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RSorge says:
Now people, let's stop all this tiresome squabbling about financing the goverment. Let's remember two points. First, we all know in our heart of hearts that the U.S. must be the world's policeman and fight all the bad guys. It makes us feel important and brings significance to our otherwise drab lives, even if the bad guys aren't always bad. So the Pentagon must have a budget greater than the combined military budgets of all the other advanced countries. Second, let's stop asking the wealthy and the corporations to pay their fair share of taxes. These people -- and the Supreme Court says corporations are people -- have important things to do and must be allowed to do them without interference. The money will eventually trickle and moisten some of us. So let's make up our minds that Medicare and Social Security are no longer affordable. Grandma and Grandpa will doubtless complain, but they're just greedy, and quite unlike the purposeful people of wealth and those fine corporations who do so much for themselves and others.
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dzaffina replies:
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we must spend all that money on the military, to protect corporate interests, I mean american interests, around the world
dzaffina replies:
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we must spend all that money on the military, to protect corporate interests, I mean american interests, around the world
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