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CBS News/ May 26, 2010, 3:06 PM

Police Chiefs Tell Holder: Arizona Law a Bad Move

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Nine police chiefs from across the country met with Attorney General Eric Holder today to express their concerns about Arizona's controversial new immigration law, telling the attorney general that such a law could actually increase crime and impede police forces.

The Arizona measure, which was signed into law last month and goes into effect in July, requires immigrants in Arizona to carry documents verifying their immigration status. It also requires police officers to question a person about his or her immigration status during a "lawful stop" if there is "reasonable suspicion" that person may be in the country illegally.

"Our responsibility is to enforce criminal law, not civil laws," said Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank, CBS News Producer Stephanie Lambidakis reports. "We could enforce IRS regulations, but the question is do you want local law enforcement to take the lead role in federal immigration enforcement. What we're saying is, we feel it's going to divert our resources away from things we're supposed to be doing -- that is fighting crime and providing for the safety of local communities."

As citizens grow impatient with Washington's lack of action on federal immigration reform, lawmakers from a number of other states are considering adopting laws similar to Arizona's. In a CBS News poll released yesterday, 52 percent of Americans said the Arizona law was "about right" in its approach to illegal immigration.

However, opponents of the law, including the Obama administration, say it could lead to racial profiling and inappropriately puts the state in charge of a federal issue. President Obama has directed the Justice Department to review the constitutionality of the measure, but Holder gave no indication today of whether or not he will challenge it, Lambidakis reports.

Some police organizations, such as the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association and the Arizona Police Association, support the Arizona law. The police chiefs who met with Holder today, however, agree with President Obama that the law is "misguided."

"Laws like this are put forward as a public safety issue, but they are not a public safety solution," said Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck. "These laws will actually increase crime, not decrease crime. Witnesses won't come forward. And they break down the trust we've been building for decades. On many levels, these laws don't work."

In an example of how he believes the law could break down trust within a community and impede police work, Minneapolis Police Chief Tim Dolan said that immigrants could be too afraid to call 911 for a child abuse situation for fear of being interrogated about their immigration status.

"We know for a fact that those people won't [call], and it will start from there," he said.

John Harris, police chief for Sahuarita, Ariz., said the law puts officers in the middle of a divisive issue.

"One side said we're going to be racial profiling, and then people who don't think we're doing enough," he said.

The law enables citizens to sue their local law enforcement agencies if they feel the law is not being enforced.

Meanwhile, some municipalities in Arizona, including Flagstaff and Tuscon, are suing the state over the law. Multiple cities in other states are moving to cut off their economic ties with Arizona in protest.

The president, who has said he wants a comprehensive approach to immigration reform, is planning to send up to 1,200 National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border in the wake of complaints about security there.

Tucson Chief of Police Roberto Villasenor, also in attendance in today's meeting with Holder, said that he hasn't heard the details of the plan, but that any support at the border is helpful.

The Phoenix police chief was also scheduled to attend today's meeting, but he returned to Arizona because one of his officers was killed, Lambidakis reports.

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MRCJR440 says:
I think the police are doing the best they can with the new immigration law. They are put in the middle of an already tough battle with the criminals and trying to keep peace. I applaud Gov. Brewers efforts to take care of the illegal immigration problem, however she has to give the police the tools and more man power to do their job. I'm not a cop, I'm trying to look at the problem from all sides. This should of been addressed over thirty years ago! The federal government knew what was going on all this time,they have to do something more than sending 1500 national guard troops to cover the southern border. What about the canadian border. Bottom line Gov. Brewer started something to solve the illegal immigration problem. It's about time other states and the federal government get on board and follow her lead!!!
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1renegade says:
To variblespanner... quoting parts of the commerce clause has nothing to do with immigration. get your facts right.
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DWHPapers says:
Here is something to think about. I know there all kinds of illegal immigrants in this county. But the ones you see on the news ALL THE TIME! Are I'm sorry to say are Latinos! Hit and Runs are out of control in this state! And when their caught and the news shows their picture its a Latino!! Every time! Every time! They run over people that are walking down the street and get out of their cars and pull the person that they hit off the hood of their car and leave them on the street to DIE like an animal! They destroy our parks, our lakes, our way of life! Trashy people! I guess they don't know what a trash can is. I worked at grocery store once and got so ANGRY when a latino would come threw my line with huge diamond rings and gold chains and then pull out a food stamp card and cash aide with thousands of dollars on it! On top of that the husband would pull out a wade of cash out of his pocket!!! And they need AIDE!!!! Bull ****!! Mine and your tax dollars are paying for these people to live the high life and get this! Pay cash for homes!!! Because they are NOT!!! Paying taxes. WHY! WHY! WHY! are we laying off teachers and stuffing 50 kids in one class room. These people are getting a free ride and the government is giving it to them! We need to take a stand and make sure it STOPS! How can they get aide without the proper paperwork? And how can they VOTE! Being illegal!! Our state is in big trouble if we don't follow Arizona on this matter more illegal immigrants are going to flock here and our government are going to welcome them with open arms and give them a free ride. We cannot let this happen! Their already coming here! Their on every street corner, shopping center taking more of our jobs! I'm FED UP!! The legal ones can stay but the rest of them need to get the hell out of here! I can't even get state help for my WHITE KIDS because their the wrong color! Taking the food right out of their mouth and putting it into theirs! Now! who's being racial! They are against WHITES! They have no right and no say! GO HOME!!!!! I need to feed my kids and get back to work!!
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RestoreFairness says:
SB1070 is a dangerous bill that mandates will inevitably lead to racial profiling and drive a wedge between communities. It basically says - if you happen to look foreign, you need to prove your citizenship. It goes against the civil rights and fundamental values that America was founded upon. What we need is to fix our broken immigration system through workable solutions that unite us together - and reform that respects due process and fairness allows us to celebrate the values that we hold dear - fairness, opportunity and due process. When we deny due process to some people, ultimately it will affect all of us. To take action go to www.restorefairness.org.
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FreeSpeechandPress replies:
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There are certainly plenty of opinions on this subject out there, some from folks who've never actually read SB1070 ..... there are flat out lies being spun, misinterpretations and so forth, which is really unfortunate.

This is what it actually says on page 2 section j of SB1070 ..... "This section shall be implemented in a manner consistent with federal laws regulating immigration, protecting the civil rights of all persons and respecting the priviliges and immunities of United States citizens"

These are quotes from a write up done by "the center for immigration studies" (link for entire write up below):

The new Arizona law mirrors federal law, which already requires aliens (non-citizens) to register and carry their documents with them (8 USC 1304(e) and 8 USC 1306(a)). The new Arizona law simply states that violating federal immigration law is now a state crime as well. Because illegal immigrants are by definition in violation of federal immigration laws, they can now be arrested by local law enforcement in Arizona.

The law is designed to avoid the legal pitfall of ?pre-emption,? which means a state can?t adopt laws that conflict with federal laws. By making what is a federal violation also a state violation, the Arizona law avoids this problem.

The law only allows police to ask about immigration status in the normal course of ?lawful contact? with a person, such as a traffic stop or if they have committed a crime.

When Arizona?s governor signed the new law, she also issued an executive order requiring the Arizona Peace Officer Standards and Training Board to provide local police with additional training on what does and what does not constitute ?reasonable suspicion.

http://www.cis.org/announcement/AZ-immigration-SB1070

Also, a professor of law at the university of houston law school wrote an article that appeared in the Houston Chronicle, titled "Opposition to Arizona law often based on faulty facts" .... here's the link for that as well:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/7015240.html

I believe this is more an issue of legal vs. illegal immigration, there's been a process set up to enter legally and many millions have chosen this path over the yrs, we're a nation made up of immigrants from all over the world .... however, IMO some are choosing to spin and make a racial issue of this, in order to take the focus away and avoid the real issue of legal vs. illegal immigration.

I happen to be for legal immigration .... NOT illegal immigration
6591Hou replies:
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RestoreFairness - Please read the bill first. Your "it basically says - if you happen to look foreign, you need to prove your citizenship..." is entirely incorrect but you are probably already aware of that. Using the term 'due process' three times does not win the argument that nothing in the Arizona bill denies it to anyone.
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Empire-George- says:
9 police chief told Obama their opinion ? so what, the majority of American have stated their opinion too, they support the Arizona law.

Arizona is who decides if Arizona law is "bad move" not police chiefs from the accross the country.....A state is entitled to write a law, that they require to deal with THEIR situation....hopefully, in NY they will write laws to deal with illegal invaders, such as Russian, Chinese and Hispanic illegal immigrants.
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Palin_for_Presidentess replies:
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Yeah, but most Americans have yet to hear why these law enforcement subject matter experts say the law is stupid.

Once they do, they might change their minds. ...Arizonians too.

Also, don't forget that the SCOTUS gets a say in whether the law is a "bad move" too.
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by Palin_for_Presidentess May 27, 2010 12:01 PM EDT

Also, don't forget that the SCOTUS gets a say in whether the law is a "bad move" too.
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Actually, you mentioned the ONLY group that has any say about the law....not nine chiefs, not Obama and his henchmen, not the Mexican President....the legislators of Arizona, the voters of AZ, and the Supreme Court are the only people, who have any real say in the matter.

I'm hoping you have supported a boycott of Mexico, with their racist immigration laws, that would make this law, look like nothing.

Do you think it's ok for Mexico to wage a tourism war with America ? and threaten us ? do they really want to go there ? We can play that boycott of Mexico game too, and hard

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/24/arizona-sheriff-calls-apology-threatening-mexican-tourism-ad/?test=latestnews
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JenniferLittrell says:
I came across a good debating resource that allows you to post comments and cast votes either for or against the New Immigration Law of Arizona without prior registration. I really recommend it: http://www.civiltalks.com
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underdogus2009 says:
The powerful will oppress the poor with false laws and perverted judgement (James 5:4)
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theywerestrongandgood replies:
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Yes. The powerful oppose enforcing immigration laws so they can oppress the poor with low wages and bad working conditions.
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excop1949 says:
Nine police chiefs, huh?
Reminds me of those doctors in the rose garden that agreed with Obama...
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Empire-George- replies:
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by excop1949 May 27, 2010 7:54 AM EDT

Reminds me of those doctors in the rose garden that agreed with Obama...
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except these Chiefs, they didn't need to put fake uniforms on them, to put on a show....LOL

Does this administration think everyone is stupid ? why would doctors visit the white house, wearing hospital coats ? then again, he got voted in, so we (they) must be dumb.
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ricscore says:
Those nine police chiefs you can be the farm on are Latinos. The other 3,000,000 police chiefs agree with the laws of this country. Oh, by the way, once you send the illegal?s back to Mexico, the country they hate so much, crime will go down.
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theywerestrongandgood replies:
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They are not violating the Constitution, because they are not setting immigration law. They are merely empowering the local police to assist the federal government with established immigration law.
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consciousnes says:
A "Bad Move"? My goodness, Yes, they might have to get up off their ass and go to work.
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