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CBS News/ March 28, 2012, 5:08 PM

Brzezinski on U.S.-Russia ties: It's not the 70s

Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski speaks about his new book 'Strategic Vision: American and the Crisis of Global Power' during a Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) discussion in Washington, DC, February 8, 2012.

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(CBS News) In the late 1970s, national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski recalls a time when he was woken up in the middle of the night by a White House aide.

"I was informed we were under nuclear attack (by the Soviet Union)," he told CBSNews.com.

The report was quickly refuted. But Brzezinski tells the anecdote to underscore the dramatic difference between U.S.-Russia relations when he served under President Jimmy Carter compared to today, when such a nuclear war false alarm would be almost inconceivable.

"All I can tell you is 30-35 years ago, the relationship was across-the-board fundamentally antagonistic and occasionally somewhat threatening," he said. "This is not the case now."

Brzezinski, now a scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, gave his perspective as negotiations between Washington and Moscow are increasingly under scrutiny. This week a political spat erupted after President Obama was caught on an open mic telling Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he would have "more flexibility" after the November elections to cut a deal on a U.S. missile defense shield in Europe.

Critics pounced, accusing the president of a hidden agenda with Moscow. But after GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney called Obama's comments "very alarming," Medvedev fired back.

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"It is 2012, not the mid-1970s," Medvedev said, adding that the U.S. and Russia are not the enemies they once were.

Brzezinski agrees. Three decades ago, the U.S. and Russia were preoccupied with each other as the menace of nuclear war shadowed each superpower. No longer, says Brzezinski.

"(The American) public is worried about other things," he said.

Brzezinski characterized the two nations' current ties as a "mixed relationship" - a combination of practicality, antagonism and indifference. Indeed the two countries have just as many shared national security interests (limiting the spread of nuclear weapons, thwarting terrorism and bolstering a global energy system) as they do political differences (disputes over missile defense, Syria and Iran, for example).

Brzezinski said that negotiating on missile defense is currently the biggest obstacle between the countries. He said the deep division on that issue is a reflection of long-held suspicion of the U.S. in the Russian psyche - a "residual resentment" that he says could worsen when Vladmir Putin takes over as president in May.

Putin, he warns, is driven by "personal obsessions" rooted in the past. Brzezinski pointed out that the incoming president is still hoping to establish a "Eurasian Union," which would recreate the boundaries of former Soviet republics.

"He's clearly driven by nostalgia for the past and the (Soviet) super-national status," he said.

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silvereagle2718 says:
Perhaps Mr. Putin would consider a different alliance, dominating a different part of the world. What about the US, Canada, Russia, Greenland, Norway, and perhaps Japan.

Such as there is to be had, that gives a clear title to the arctic. The northwest and northeast passages may open up one of these days. The US and Russia have (or once had) the world's largest submarine fleets, capable of traveling under the ice. The US and Russia are the world's dominant space faring nations and might be able to do something great. While the obstacles to arctic exploration are significant, there are probably resources to be had. The two sides can fight it out in congress, rather than in the security council and we just might be big enough to compete with China.

Japan is a resource poor technology powerhouse with a nuclear mess to clean up.They might be interested in coming along for the ride.

Leave Taiwan out of it, for now. The US position is that the China and Taiwan resolve their differences using peaceful means. If that becomes impossible, annexing Taiwan is a possibility. But, I don't think it will come to that.
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silvereagle2718 replies:
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Also, since the US and Russia have most of the world's nuclear bombs, a justification for which is attack by the other, perhaps a significant reduction in the nuclear posture could result, while still providing for mutual security.

The Russians are interested in nuclear missle defense in Poland, perhaps jointly running the defense system. Well....?
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karlimhof says:
Brzezinski is the sharpest foreign policy mind in the US today.

Everyone should listen attentively.
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Molly-Pchr replies:
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Absolutely!
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tactgroup says:
This article is contradictory and illogical. Brzezinski accurately identifies in the last three paragraphs that once Putin takes over again in May (he never actually relinquished power), the US will be dealing with the same Russia of the past, not the cooperative Russia Brzezinski (and obama) would like us to believe exists today.
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Adress9871234 says:
What a lie !
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Adress9871234 says:
"Russian PM, and future president of Russia once again come this March.

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin slammed the west, specifically the U.S. and NATO, as being the real threats and not Iran and N. Korea as the west is constantly pressing this point. Russia in prophecy is the nation that will destroy much of western Europe in WW3."
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venusvegasvada says:
One of the best things that have happened in my lifetime.

I wish we would just bury the whole hatchet altogether.
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