Starting Gate: Democratic Field Makes A Case Against Clinton

By: Vaughn Ververs
Topics: Starting Gate

(AP/Matt Rourke)

Was last night's Democratic debate a trick or a treat for those seeking to unseat the front-runner? The eight candidates on stage did their best to cast Hillary Clinton as the scariest candidate in the race – for fellow Democrats, that is. John Edwards, Barack Obama and, to a lesser extent the rest of the field, tried to put a George Bush mask on Clinton's candidacy with at least some effectiveness.

To nobody's surprise, the field came out swinging at the front-runner, openly questioning Clinton's honesty, credibility, integrity, fealty to the party's values, ties to the Washington establishment and positions on issues ranging from Social Security to Iran. It was a tag-team match between six candidates and the New York senator and while Clinton left firmly planted on two feet with another solid performance, some cracks in her armor may have started to widen a bit.

Clinton's approach to the war in Iraq, and foreign policy in general, has been more pragmatic than what most Democratic activists are looking for. She appears to have put to rest early unrest about her refusal to apologize for voting for the Iraq war authorization in 2002 but that same uneasiness looks to be seeping back in on the issue of Iran.

The front-runner was hit early and often over her vote on a non-binding Senate resolution which urged the Bush administration to designate part of Iran's Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization (which they since have done). Clinton stood her ground, arguing that it's part of what is necessary to do in order to sanction Iran and then pursue diplomatic means designed to stop that nation from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

Obama, and more effectively Edwards, used Clinton's defense to make a connection between Iraq and Iran by claiming that her vote could be seen as one to give President Bush the rationale to attack Iran. It's a connection that could well raise concerns about Clinton once again among a large segment of a party still unsure about her dedication to ending the war in Iraq.

As a woman candidate seeking to become commander-in-chief, Clinton has long struggled to straddle the line between meeting her party's base on Iraq and the need to look like a strong leader. That line was even thinner last night.

Questions about electability dominated a good part of the debate, with Clinton arguing that Republican attacks on her demonstrated their fear of her candidacy while others suggested they see her as the easiest Democrat to defeat in a general election. The moderators even got into the action with questions about the failure of the Clinton presidential library to make some documents public from the 1990s. That question led to one of the most pointed attacks from Obama, who said the country needed no more secrecy from its presidents.

If Clinton got a little dinged up, it's less clear who benefited from the focus on her. Edwards was the most openly aggressive, hammering Clinton on a near personal level and at one point almost mocking her position on Iran, saying that if Bush attacked that country in the next six months, he feared that her response would be similar to what she has said about Iraq – if only she knew then what she knows now.

Obama also went straight at her on foreign policy and Social Security but was careful to avoid getting overly critical on a personal level. Even Joe Biden and Chris Dodd took their jabs, leading Bill Richardson to say he was uncomfortable with the tone of the debate. Clinton could benefit if voters perceive her as a victim but that is unlikely for someone who has established her toughness over the past 15 years.

Edwards and Obama appear to have accomplished at least some of what they indicated they were looking to do coming into this debate – knocking Clinton off-stride for at least a moment. The Senator was prepared and well-versed in both the details of policy and the big picture and defended herself without re-engaging her opponents for the most part. But she looked none too happy doing so. The "cackle" was gone, replaced with a firm countenance and even firmer voice.

Clinton has been careful throughout this campaign to keep one eye fixed on positioning herself for a general election campaign by not getting boxed into saying things to primary voters she may regret next November. After last night, she might have to begin focusing both those eyes on winning a nomination fight that begins to count votes in just nine weeks. (Note: The above analysis is an updated version of a post from late last night).

Around The Track

Edwards, who had already been endorsed by the Iowa chapter of the politically influential Service Employees International Union yesterday also picked up the support of its New Hampshire chapter. The Union's national leadership elected not to endorse a candidate earlier this year, leaving it up to state and local organizations to do so if they so desire.

Because of the January 3rd caucuses, the Des Moines Register has scheduled its traditional debates to mid-December. The GOP debate is slated for December 12th, followed by the Democratic debate on December 13th.

South Carolina will be the focus of the presidential campaign this weekend, according to the Columbia State, which calculates that there will be 19 appearances by six candidates in the space of 72 hours.

Bill Richardson is up with a new ad in Iowa emphasizing his plan to leave Iraq. From the ad: "I will get every soldier out. You cannot say you will end the war if you plan to leave thousands of troops behind; the Iraqis sure will not think the war is over."

Rhode Island lawmakers voted on a measure to move the primary to February 5th, putting it in a position to join 22 other states on that date.

Excluded from last night's debate, Mike Gravel debated himself online.

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by dbl06 November 2, 2007 2:38 PM EDT: A case can be made both for issuing DL''s to illegals and not. The problem with Senator Clinton''s answers(note Plural)is she showed her duplicitous nature. She does not want to be held to account on any issue where she might be criticized. particularly if it could cost her votes. She became so defensive that she let herself deny her own statement on Nat''l TV. What is more revealing is that this is The Clinton''s reputation. A reputation she failed to dispel.; Reply to this comment


by oldprophet November 2, 2007 2:37 AM EDT: You get the sense that our country is desperate for someone to show us the way. Not the old way. Not the same way, but a NEW WAY. Think about this for a minute. What if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea? They''ve been there for 50+ years. What if we quit worrying about Iran, but instead, realized that its having a nuclear weapon will not mean the end of the world? What if we pulled all of our troops out of the Middle-East, and brought them all home? What if we realistically addressed the National Debt, and paid attention to REALLY DOING SOMETHING about stopping illegal immigration? These are the ideas of Republican Presidential candidate, Dr. Ron Paul. He''s a ten term Congressman and a physician who has delivered over 4,000 babies. He''s an intellectual who''s published four books, three of which are devoted entirely to sound economics. He was raised on a dairy farm in Pennsylvania as a pious Lutheran, but now he attends a Baptist church. Paul is given to mulling things over morally. Whenever he recollects the helicopter pilots he gave physicals to as an Air Force Flight Surgeon during the Vietnam War, a war which he now says was "totally unnecessary and illegal," he laments, "They were gung-ho. I%u2019ve often thought about how many of those people never came back." Candidates with the high level of personal integrity and proven track record of adherance to The Constitution, Congressman Paul has always demonstrated only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky.; Reply to this comment


by jshepherd51 October 31, 2007 10:11 PM EDT: There should be no doubt in anyone''s mind that John Edwards won the debate on Tuesday night. He let Hillary have it from all sides and made good points which everyone should consider before they vote for their next president. How a voter could vote to put another Arkansas embarrassment in the White House is beyond me. She continues to use the same tactics she used in the Arkansas debacles.....lie and never say the same thing twice.. What a travesty she would be as the head of our government. Think about it folks....you only get one vote for that important position and you better make it count.; Reply to this comment


by PollM October 31, 2007 9:53 PM EDT: With Clinton holding a huge lead among Democrats in national opinion polls ahead of the November 2008 election, rivals Barack Obama, John Edwards, Chris Dodd, Bill Richardson and Joseph Biden all took turns aiming shots at the New York senator in hopes of bringing her back to the pack.

Who do you think won the Philadelphia NBC - MSNBC News Democratic Presidential Debate? ---- http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=842; Reply to this comment


by debbs7 October 31, 2007 1:29 PM EDT: I watched reruns of Andy Griffith...just a case of which re-run to view.; Reply to this comment


by ryanjjones1 October 31, 2007 3:43 AM EDT: I heard the hype about the planned attacks on Hillary. I watched the debate. I have to say, that Obama and Edwards sorely revealed why they are stuck in stagnant campaigns. The ease at which they alluded to personal attacks is what America needs to get past. Hillary was the only one who didn''t attack tonight- along with Bill Richardson, who heroically pointed out that Obama and Edwards were visciously attacking the leader.
Hillary held her own tonight, she clearly solidified the image of a commander in chief.; Reply to this comment


by PollM October 31, 2007 2:25 AM EDT: With Clinton holding a huge lead among Democrats in national opinion polls ahead of the November 2008 election, rivals Barack Obama, John Edwards, Chris Dodd, Bill Richardson and Joseph Biden all took turns aiming shots at the New York senator in hopes of bringing her back to the pack.

Who do you think won the Philadelphia NBC - MSNBC News Democratic Presidential Debate? ---- http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=842; Reply to this comment