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October 19, 2007 5:14 PM

A Tough Crowd Greets Ron Paul

By
David L Miller
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Ron Paul
Ron Paul caters to a select group of Republican voters -- small-government conservatives with strong libertarian leanings. They populate places like rural New Hampshire and the Mountain West. And, odds are, they're not at this weekend's Values Voter Summit. The people in attendance are typically suburban and are often indifferent toward many of the issues Paul, a Texas congressman, talks about, like monetary policy. And in the case of the Iraq War, Paul and evangelical voters are on opposite sides of the argument: Paul has opposed the war in the start, while a recent CBS News poll found that evangelicals still support a continued presence in Iraq.

Paul seems to bring a dedicated following wherever he goes, but the Summit crowd's reaction to Paul's message was decidedly mixed -- aside from the young group wearing his t-shirts. Cheers for abolishing the Department of Education -- which many conservative Christians feel has contributed to the secularization of public schools -- but only a smattering of applause for other positions, like taking troops out of Iraq to patrol the border with Mexico, or repealing the 16th Amendment (and with it, the income tax).

Paul's position on same-sex marriage also doesn't go as far as many here would like. He wants to pass legislation removing marriage cases from the jurisdiction of federal courts, thus making it a state-by-state issue. But the constitutional amendment many conservative leaders support would ban such marriages in the states as well.

Still, Paul told CBSNews.com that the Values Voter Summit crowd isn't too different from that of other Republican events he's attended. "They're very receptive to maybe 90 percent of it," he said, adding that evangelicals who believe he's overly cautious about protecting civil liberties agree with him after he explains himself. "Their civil liberties need to be protected to so their ministers can say what they want in the pulpit."

As for the 10 percent Paul and the Summit audience don't agree on? "It's mostly the war," Paul said. "They've been taught by too many that this war was necessary when it isn't."

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by savetheus2 October 22, 2007 8:39 PM EDT
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by blahblahbla5 October 22, 2007 3:56 PM EDT
As a doctor who delivered 4,000 babies, yes he is personally pro-life. That doesn''t mean he wants to ban abortion, he just doesn''t want the Fed weighing in on issues it has no business addressing. Open the Constitution. Paul will leave the to patients/doctors/states, where it belongs. Just repeat after me: Put the Fed to bed. Put the Fed to bed. Put the Fed to bed....
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by allen_osuno-19315235572502123818007317584585 October 22, 2007 3:41 PM EDT
Ron Paul is anti-abortion, and as a so called %u201Cstrict constitutionalist%u201D, he is against government regulation of powerful moneyed interests, and against the social safety net, dismissively called %u201Centitlements%u201D by those with no regard for the elderly and disabled, who need assistance. A Paul victory would probably bring in something like we have now uncer G.W. Bush, plus a Republican majority in Congress. Not sure what that would solve.

I have no qualms however with a return to constitutional principles of government abandoned under Emperor Bush.
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by blahblahbla5 October 22, 2007 2:46 PM EDT
By not giving Ron Paul the attention due to him, based on his standing as the third place candidate monetarily and his clear dominance of most straw polls, the MSM is missing out on the biggest story never told. A grassroots effort by the downtrodden masses to seize power back from an oppressive regime...this is right up their alley when it happens overseas. Funny how the same story gets buried here at home. They must think they have something to lose if Thomas Jefferson gets re-elected. They''re wrong: Ron Paul will kill the FCC and free the MSM to exercise their rights again. Ah well, corporate funding trumps liberty I guess. Enjoy the gulag; journalists are always the first to disappear.
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by anntink October 22, 2007 1:02 PM EDT
According to the polls I''ve seen, 70% of the American people want the US out of Iraq. The other 30% were apparently at this meeting! I watched in shame and horror as these so-called Christian Conservatives applauded the slaughter of the citizens of Iraq. As a Christian, please know they do not speak in MY name! I foolishly believed this blood lust ended with the inquisitions! These so-called Christians Conservatives, are most likely the same crowd who follow John Hagee and his quest for Armageddon, hook, line and sinker! Hard to believe, but then again, there was Jim Jones. My grandmother lived to be over 100 and my mother is now 88 years old. Both of them were "Christian fundamentalist," (meaning a literal interpretation of the Bible). Both of them spent a lifetime studying Christianity and both have read the entire bible many times over. Never in their wildest dreams did either of them ever believe that Christianity could become as distorted as it has become under Mr. Hagee''s teachings. I was appalled when I saw Hagee and his disciples on YouTube, lobbying the President and Congress to go bomb Iraq, in the name of God. True Christians believe in peace and the sanctity of life. Hagee and his followers have perverted Christianity and they are just as much a threat to the security of this nation as Osama bin Laden. Maybe more of a threat%u2026 we have an ocean separating us from bin Laden; there is nothing separating us from the fanatics in our own country.
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by johnnysnot October 22, 2007 12:05 AM EDT
I''m not into conspiracy theories however I was wondering something. Drug companies in the US have become some of the biggest buyers of advertisement and spend 30 Billion annually in the US on Direct to Consumer advertising. Well, Ron Paul''s Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Jan 2007) and Voted YES on allowing re-importation of prescription drugs. (Jul 2003) Such political stances could cause a dramatic reduction in profits for the big drug companies, and as a result drastically reduce the amount of money they could afford on advertising. This could result in billions of dollars in lost revenue for the Mass Media. So could that have anything to do with the general dislike from the MSN towards Ron Paul. If I ran a media outlet and there was a candidate running who''s election was going to cost my company a fortune in revenue I wouldn''t want my employees saying anything good about that candidate either. Or maybe the real world isn''t like that.
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by zardozspeaks October 21, 2007 6:51 PM EDT
looks like a tougher crowd for media darling Rudy...


The poll''s position

*Has quit the race Total doesn%u2019t equal 100 percent because of rounding Source: Associated Press
October 21, 2007

Values Voter Summit results:

Mitt Romney %u2026 27.6%

Mike Huckabee %u2026 27.2%

Ron Paul %u2026 15%

Fred Thompson %u2026 9.8%

Undecided %u2026 5.7%

Sam Brownback* %u2026 5.1%

Duncan Hunter %u2026 2.4%

Tom Tancredo %u2026 2.3%

Rudolph Giuliani %u2026 1.9%

John McCain %u2026 1.4%

All Democrats

combined %u2026 less than 1%

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by dalelegan October 21, 2007 6:28 PM EDT
Evagelicals Think want to be in Iraq because John Hagee and others are bent on Arrmageddon. Israel does not want the evangelical support. It does and has made Israel less safe by the U.S. meddling in the middle east. Israel would be much safer under RP.

Evangelical leaders don''t believe god to protect Israel and are repeating the "sins" that lead to the destruction of Israel in Isaihah. Isaihah says "the day the towers fell'' was because of paying off enemies with gold. Sound like our foriegn policy?

The "Israel Lobby". doesn''t speak for Israel in fact Jewish people are regularly kicked out of Hagee events protesting this false evangelical "Israel" lobby marching the world and Israel toward ww3 and nuclear war.

Vote RonPaul
He is good for Israel no matter what the warmongers tell you. Real Christians want peace not war.
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by capousa1 October 21, 2007 3:07 PM EDT
If David Miller wants me to believe he is a real journalist and not just a shill at a corporate newsletter, he will comment on why he (or his editors) left out Ron Paul''s recent showing at the straw poll of the Palmetto Family Center (PFC) in South Carolina.

South Carolina is an early primary state and the buckle of the Bible belt. The PFC is the SC affiliate of Pastor James Dobson''s Focus on the Family organization -- hardly a bit player in evangelical politics. In Dec 2006, the PFC did rate an honorable 2nd paragraph mention for credibility when CBS news ran an article from their pro-war friends at NRO that quoted an executive of the PFC as he discussed Mitt Romney''s obvious problems among devout evangelicals: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/19/opinion/main2281102.shtml

Somehow though, the PFC straw poll results of only four weeks ago have gone down Mr. Miller''s memory hole. Call-in participant Ron Paul''s 179 votes put him a close second to live participant Huckabee''s 206 votes. The next nearest finisher was Fred Thompson at 43 votes. The PFC straw poll was no less scientific than the Values Voter Summit Mr. Miller was assigned to write on. Until he can adequately explain why the PFC straw poll results did not rate a mention in his story, his credentials as a good journalist remain suspect.
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by jescando October 21, 2007 2:25 PM EDT
I was impressed with his speech...but i think he needs to use more life stories(this is where he plugged into peoples lives and got his cheers), less technical economic speeches for these groups is sooooo important to do. He is argueably right on these issues and they are guarganteous issues that need change but this group was most concerned about the value voting issues that they see the economic label is not the core label of the issue they battle.

His Bill he proposed for instance is very similar to the bill roy moore suggested. This is exactly what legend Phyllis Schlafly supports.

I know christian conservative voters listen to those two names. He needs to plug in and show that he is aligned and targets the worldnetdaily knowledge.

That is my critique. He is the ultimate of diamonds in the rough that needs some coaching on targetting this group and others with simple commercials followed up by simple speeches. He can do the detailed talks one on one with people that pay for the private dinners or that ask him questions online or in the debates.

Being 72, i would really hate to miss a friend of reagan to not be elected when we most desperated need the character, integrity and washington experience he possesses above everything else...

I for one want to give this guy a chance and pull in some of the others in the debates to be in the white house. They have a lot to offer as a group.
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