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CBS/ February 17, 2009, 9:27 AM

Plane That Crashed Was Almost New

The commuter plane that crashed in a fiery heap outside Buffalo, N.Y. Thursday night, killing all 48 people on board and one on the ground, had only been in service for one year, CBS News correspondent Nancy Cordes reported on The Early Show Friday.

The craft used for Continental Connection Flight 3407 was a 74-seat Q400 turboprop built by the Canadian company Bombardier, and operated by Colgan Air.

The Dash-8 model, Cordes says, had a strong safety record, with no fatal crashes in the U.S.

Back in 2007 though, the landing gear on some Scandinavian Airlines Dash-8s collapsed three times in two days, prompting that carrier to permanently remove all its Dash-8s from service. They comprised almost a fifth of its fleet. The move, Cordes notes, put a crimp in sales of the aircraft for a time.

But landing gear doesn't appear to have been a problem in Thursday's case. The plane was still several miles out from the Buffallo airport when it crashed in light snow.

Aviation expert Peter Goelz, a former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board, told Early Show co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez Friday, "It was a new plane. And the landing gear collapses ... in Sweden ... (ocurred) on landing. And this ... tragedy took place well before the landing gears would have had any involvement. So my guess is that's probably not got anything to do with it."

Details on Bombadier Q400 (DH4)
Source: Colgan Air

74-seat twin turboprop in single-class, four abreast configuration

Jet-like speed with state-of-the-art avionics

Performance profile allows operations below and away from congested airspace

"Q means Quiet" with advanced noise and vibration reduction

Full size cabin with 32" seat pitch and 6'5" of headroom

Two flight attendants for passenger safety and comfort

Continental Airlines short and medium haul in-flight service offerings

Arrives and departs at Terminal C at Newark Liberty Airport

Length 107' 9"
Height 27' 5"
Wingspan 93' 3"
Passengers 68-78
Engines 2 Pratt & Whitney Canada Corp. PW150
360 kts (414 mph)
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neo269 says:
This isn''t rocket science - DON''T FLY IN BAD WEATHER. The morons running the airlines don''t care if you die.
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mikeinme replies:
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Too bad you don't know what you're talking about. This wasn't about the weather. It was about pilot training, competency, rules that allow pilots to spend too much time awake (because of long air-commutes made by many commuter pilots), etc. This is about maximizing profit instead of safety. We need to RAISE the bar with reasonable regulations so small airlines don't have to sacrifice safety to stay competitive.
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midlifevoter says:
The recipe for ice formation is simple: Pass the aircraft through sub-freezing temperatures long enought to cool the surface temperature of the aircraft, then fly through any moisture. Ice forms easily and at unpredictable and disproportionate rates over any wing or control surface.

Extension of the flaps on final approach, when ice is present can cause a disproportionate flap extension causing aircraft to roll. With ice, flight control and response can easily be sluggish or inadequate. Ice can prevent the flaps from retracting. In-flight ice buildups are simply lethal and difficult to survive, unless the pilot aborts the landing and can climb up over the precipitation into dry air and let the ice evaporate away while the pilot looks for another airport to land.
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mediawatch50 says:
High wing, large twin turboprop icing crashes HAVE happened before--and more than once. Example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Eagle_Flight_4184

The ATR 72 looks very similar, and has very similar anti-ice systems. In spite of the previous good safety record of this particular model (which hasn''t been flying all that long), there may very well be a broader problem with this general type of aircraft that the investigators will nedd to consider.
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swami545 says:
"I am shocked every time I look at the wings in the photos of this plane. The wings are so small I can''''''''t believe that this thing can fly at slow --landing -- speeds. This Canuck plane should be redesigned or banned by the FAA.
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LOL One fatal accident to date, and it''s time to start banning thinks. We could ban paper too - how many lives have been taken due to fires started using paper.


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evian_ycnan says:
I am shocked every time I look at the wings in the photos of this plane. The wings are so small I can''''t believe that this thing can fly at slow --landing -- speeds. This Canuck plane should be redesigned or banned by the FAA.

Posted by JoePack61 at 04:52 PM : Feb 13, 2009

High Aspect Ratio wing... same as on modern soarplanes and considering they don`t have engines...
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mnelsonix says:
The Dash 8 is a very good plane. I guess we won''t know what went wrong until the invesigation''s done but I suspect icing.
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Really? You suspect icing? Boy oh boy that''s some real out of the box thinking there. You''re a smart duck Daffy!
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joepack61 says:
The Quebecois first invented hockey, and now this plane.
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joepack61 says:
I am shocked every time I look at the wings in the photos of this plane. The wings are so small I can''t believe that this thing can fly at slow --landing -- speeds. This Canuck plane should be redesigned or banned by the FAA.
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joepack61 says:
I heard that if you are going to fly in icing condintions -- 28 to 32 degrees fahrenheight and high humidity such as clouds, you had better be on a jet. Many airlines use small 50 seater commuter jets. The ticket price diff would be worth your life. Also, this Canuck plane has extremely small wings. Icing could easily bring it down.
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smt451d says:
The plane is certified by the FAA for flying into known icing. The onboard systems are adequate for removing ice if used correctly. There were pilot reports of icing in the area. It wasn''t a secret.
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