States petition to secede from union

UPDATE: Secessionist leader: Texas should separate from Marxist states

They don't want to take their country back. They just want to leave it behind.

As the dust settles in the wake of President Obama's decisive reelection last Tuesday, the White House petition website has been flooded by a series of secession requests, with malcontents from New Jersey to North Dakota submitting petitions to allow their states to withdraw from the union.

Most of the petitions submitted thus far have come from solidly conservative states, including most of the Deep South and reliably separatist Texas. But a handful come from the heart of blue America - relatively progressive enclaves like Oregon and New York.

All told, petitions have been filed on behalf of 20 states: Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.

Many of the petitions invoke the Declaration of Independence's dramatic assertion that "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government."

The petitions have been submitted through the White House's "We the People" website, which aims to give "all Americans a way to engage their government on the issues that matter to them." The White House promises that "If a petition meets the signature threshold, it will be reviewed by the Administration and we will issue a response." The threshold is 25,000 signatures in 30 days and, at the time of this article's publication, none of the secession petitions have reached the threshold (the Texas petition has received over 22,000 and needs to hit 25,000 by Dec. 9; Louisiana, with just under 15,000 signatures, needs to hit the threshold by Dec. 7.)

For some of the states represented, the secession requests are nothing novel: South Carolina, the state whose 1860 secession sparked the civil war, is hardly an unlikely locus of conservative angst in response to Mr. Obama's victory.

And in Texas, which still conceives of itself as a "republic," not a mere "state," politicians seem to make an almost annual show of flirting with secession, periodically dropping dark hints that Washington's chicanery may force the Lone Star state to flee the Union.

After repeatedly nodding at the possibility of secession in the last few years, Gov. Rick Perry, R-Tex., has more recently kept mum on the subject. But some local GOP officials in Texas have been happy to fill the void: Tom Head, a county judge from Lubbock predicted in August that Obama's reelection could lead to a second civil war. And the treasurer of the Hardin County Republican Party, Peter Morrison, asked in a post-election newsletter, "Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government?" Morrison's newsletter requested an "amicable divorce" from the "maggots" who reelected President Obama, many of them voting on an "ethnic basis."

The Texas petition assails the federal government's "neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending," arguing that "it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government."

But some political officials in the states involved are not so eager to hop onboard the secession bandwagon, post-election angst or not. Morrison's boss, Hardin County GOP Chairman Kent Batman, explained, "People around here are asking why Texas is so different from the rest of the country, why we see things so differently...but I don't think a lot of people here are saying we ought to leave the Union."

Asked about Morrison's newsletter comments, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports that Batman sighed and replied, "Wow...OK, well, I guess I need to start taking a look at his newsletters."

[renloumarks]

Why do we need their permission? Why don't we just Secede anyway? This is happening because the Federal Government is slowly but surely taking away our states choice that we vote in for our state!

[dr1hall]

Social Stratification - Avoiding the US Military Rule

Spain is not a federation, but a highly decentralized[5][6] unitary state,[2] that has devolved power to the communities, which in turn, exercise their right to self-government within the limits set forth in the constitution.

The state of Kentucky is a commonwealth. What is common about the wealth? It is an autonomy of wealthy citizens wielding economic, educational and social power. Always has been that way in every state in the union. So what is going to change all this?

Organizing after the fall. The financial basis of America is simply a printing press. That solution is not an answer. The country is poised for a dramatic failure. Other countries are dumping US Dollars. The USA has zero backing for the dollar. Taxes cannot sustain the 17 Trillion dollar debt. Taxes cannot sustain the the next 24 mos. Of interest on that debt, 34 Trillion is unmanageable by any known financial means. The country will be taken over by military law. The power remains the same just a different name - military. People who are in charge of the military? Social elite, educated, wealthy families rearing Rear Admirals and Captains and Generals. Same game. Different name. And thugs. The military is rife with thugs in uniforms.

The National Guard is a good standard of what the Kentucky Volunteer Militia can do with enough volunteer citizen power. Exchange for food and goods would be the currency of trade. Manufacture of guns and weapons is another potential business.

Electricians can run power plants. Plumbers can run municipal water plants. People can run their own lives without the government just fine. Construction workers can repair bridges and roads just fine. Homes can be built and cars can be repaired and sold and maintained without the need for government. Security. Who guarantees social balance? Not police, not judges, not jails ... social balance is an action between power, needs and wants.

The most important needs are survival water, clothes, shelter and food. Those can be supplied for every living human being through barter, trade and commerce. Without currency. Without Interest rates and robber barron lending.

Will America survive? I dont know, but Kentucky can. Innovative survival plan requires Individual recognition of the problem. Steps One and Two require stabilizing terror and panic. Step three is to declare the Kentucky territory as autonomous. Keep your federal money, army and politics. We have seen its doing and it is not doing well.

Step Four is deciding what are our natural resources? What is coal, ginseng and minerals worth in the world of business and barter. What does currency mean in the world of collapse. Currency is worth whatever it is backed with. One thing is good faith. If the community bases it currency on corn then another must trust it can produce corn. On a regular and dependable basis. What is the currency of Kentucky? Coal may be the first choice, but look at its history and it is not a clean nor pleasant history.
Kentucky is rich in minerals, jasper and semi precious stones. Kentucky has the ability to produce wine and much of its land is not fertilized to death. Yet. Soon but not this minute. The ability to survive will depend on farmers in Kentucky. Those willing to farm without the brain-washed fertilizing, overgrowing the land ability to naturally produce no-till corn, sorghum and hemp crops.

Kentucky is rich in roads. Needing repair and rebuilding. But Kentucky is a commerce traffic hub.
Kentucky has rails. RJ Corman is the third largest small rail in the nation.
Kentucky has the sunfall almost equal to sunny florida. We have huge solar power potential.


Kentucky is rich in water. Water that has long been polluted with ag runoff, mining and industry. Stop it.
Kentucky may Maybe clean up its water sources and enjoy drinking pure water again.

Kentucky is rich in ability to manufacture from simple means. Hemp will save the many agriculture industries and nobody can produce it like Kentucky. We supplied WW1 ships and war supplies with hemp rope.
Kentucky should avoid gambling and its lineage at all costs. Horse racing is one thing and trying to shore up a failing economy with Lottery money is insane.
Kentucky is rich in personality. People who can manage enough common sense to create their own governing. Lets start thinking about a new Kentucky. Lets start thinking. Lets start.
Notes

[fred_flintstoned]

stevehamilton858, "The Federal Government in total returns more to the states than it receives.", that is not at all accurate.
In order for the Federal government to print currency, it requires them to obtcreate debt based on a leveraged debt.
First off the Federal government must first create an asset, they then leverage that asset based on a persons expected GDP, over their lifetime.
The asset obtained is first secured by a certificate of Birth, this is defined under the UCC (derived from the law merchants code, which was based off of Admirality law), and is a "Financial Instrument".
The original birth certificate aka financial instrument, is sent to the Department of Vital statistics, whereas they re-print the persons name in all capital letters, this creates an image of the real person, but that image is created as a corporation.
The corporate certificate is then sent to the U.S Treasury, the Treasury then sets an x-amount of value of that person expected to make over their lifetime, and their contributions to the national GDP, the amount set is based on the Federal min wage, but they also use numbers and percentages based on how many will become millionairs, and billionairs over their lifetime, so a percentage of the population have a higher value set for their certificate, once the Treasury sets the amount, they issue those securities, bonds etc. to be made available to investors around the world, whom then buy them.
Once issued the Treasury then tells the Independent bankers running the Federal Reserve to print up that x-amount of currency.
The Federal Reserve then receives payment for the actual cost of printing the bills, plus 4% of the face value of the bill.
The Federal Reserve then sets the prime interest rate, of which the Federal Government gets a percentage of the prime interest collected and is used to buy back the matured securities, they collect prime interest off of monies that are created based on no assets.
The Federal Reserve member banks for example loans out those monies, in which a bank receives let's say $1 million, the bank may then loan out up to nine times their deposit, so that $1 million allows the bank to loan out $9 million, $8 of which is merely written in the books.
Nevertheless the Federal Reserve, and the Federal Government via the U.S Treasury, still collects the prime interest rate off of the created money that isn't in circulation (this is a means to control the amount of currency in circulation, too much money and the value goes down as prices climb, not enough currency and the prices drop, but no buyers, inflation and deflation.
What has happened however is there were far too many people hoarding vast amounts of real currency not being circulated, people like Rob Walton that is pulling $2.4 Billion in real USD currency out of the national economy each year, in addition two other Walton family members receive the same amounts, so between just three people they are reducing the currency from circulation over $7 billion per year.
The 10 wealthiest people in the U.S hold nearly $1 trillion USD. that has alot of impact on a national economy.
Thus it required the U.S government to bailout wallstreet, since those hoarding the money weren't giving any of it up.
The banks were maxed out on their 9 x's, and the economy stagnated.
It's a domino's effect, the current economics cannot be sustained, when just a handful of people are holding so much wealth.

[model67a]

Obama continues to divede the country. He said he would unite the country, he is doing the exact opposite.

[DTConcerned]

After rereading the Constitution several times I do not find any place where a state is necessarily forbidden to Succeed form the United States of America. The obstacles that come into play would be first the land or property upon which the state resides would remain a portion of the United States and under the jurisdiction of the US Government. The State would then revert to a territory, loosing the rights granted at statehood. All access routes would remain under the direct domain of the US Government Department of Defense. All militia within the now territory would be under the jurisdiction of the Federal governing. So for example if Texas was granted succession it would become a Federal territory and the US Government could subdivide that territory into smaller territories even annex portions of that territory to existing states. Or allowing smaller portions of that stated to apply for statehood as independent states. The biggest key here is succession as a state would only dissolve statehood, not liberate the territory from being a portion of the United States. This is another example of where people should think, research and consider what it is they are asking for. Perhaps petitioning to fix what is broken would be better then petitioning to break them more?

[fred_flintstoned]

States do have a right to succeed from the Union, under the Kentucky Resolutions of Adams and Jefferson's definement of what the "Union" was/is, - A loose compact of States sharing a common interest.
Therefor a State entered into a compact not a contract, the Constitutional contract would still apply even to States that withdraw.
In other words all aggreements entered into would still apply, however new Congressional bills passed by the Congress would only apply to member States.
Any changes to pre-existing laws would also not apply, unless those States acted on their own behalf to be represented, like the Indian nation has a representitive in the congress.

As far as the militia goes, it is incorrect to define the National Guard as the militia, since it is 100% fully funded by the Federal government and not the States, it is a foreign military body, and from a Constitutional standpoint, they can only exist within the boundaries of a State with the permission of the governor of that State allowing them to be present.
This is what outraged South Carolina prior to the civil war.
As an example Anderson acted within the law, so as long as he and his men were at a Federal fort, Moultrie, however once he took possession of Fort Sumter, in whicj ownership had long been reverted back to S.C (note the original contract between the Congress and South Carolina in regards to the ownership of Fort Sumter, that it had to be completed within 5 years, after which time ownership would revert back to S.C. it was never completed, and never once had any Federal troops stationed there, for over 30 years it sat empty.
S.C not once ever demanded Anderson and his men to leave Fort Moultrie, but in the night he set up residence in Fort Sumter, when Anderson was confronted, he was in reality being given notice of eviction, he refused to leave.
This lead to South Carolina opening fire on their own property.
The first shot fired was by a 16 year old Citadal cadet.
It is true property belonging to the Federal government would stay in control of the Federal government, however those properties in which acted for the supposed benefit of a member State would most likely be turned back over to the States, since the State would no longer have the benefit of the Federal services.
As far as Texas goes, they are in reality a "Republic", and in their original submission to the Union preserved their right to withdraw from the Union, which was also agreed to by the Federal member States when Texas was submitted.
The problem however with seccession, is that most don't realise that not only does it require State legislatures to vote nay/yea, but once this is done it must be submitted before the Congress, the majority of Congress must then vote yea/nay.
That means it would require at least 30 of the 50 States to vote "yea" for it to happen, however if there were to be 30 States to do so, then it would easily be done.
Just as the civil war, a new Union was attempted to be formed under the Confederacy, so those States wanted out of a heavily Northern influenced Union (going thru the industrial revolution), and form a Confederate Union, it made sense, geography plays a big part in persons view of things, just as liberal Cali should not control the interest of the Southern Bible belt, and New York's gun restrictions should not influence the Southern beleifs of the right to keep and bear arms.
As far as the States status, they would still remain a State in their own right, obtained under the 1783 Paris Peace Treaty.
States would be sovereign in their own right.
The problem that most States are having with the Union, is not so much the Union itself, but the Federal part of government, in which the central government has exceeded the powers delegated to them by the States under the Union.
They did this via legislative fiat.

[EffThat]

Learn to spell, you have no credibility when you write at a 3rd grade level.

[IntentOfTheFramers]

Do you remember this, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." The States formed a union with a central government (federal government) whose powers were intended to be few and defined by the Constitution (enumerated powers with all else left to the States.) Our Federal Government has exercised powers not granted and trespassed into State's Rights to include preventing the States from securing their borders and in doing so, it has broken the contract (Constitution) between the States (The People) and itself. So, it has freed the States from obligation. The Federal Government has violated our God Given Rights in the process and "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." And so it is our duty to secede or threaten to do so. Those who go against the Constitution (which garantees the God Given Rights of the People) > goes against God and Country!

[stevehamilton858]

STEVOHULA: It's secession, not succession, and I'm not sure who the "we all" are who could have distanced ourselves from the country's economic problems: it's not like each citizen has a personal account that's tied to the total Federal Budget and Accounting System.

In the 1770's there were a bunch of men who were called "tavern patriots"; they were big talkers when they were in the tavern tossing down some drinks, but they never accomplished anything for the cause of freedom. Today's secessionist talkers are a resurrection of the tavern patriots.

[sweetbabyboo5]

I agree with tj60 and mississippigirl2012, in addition, it's sad that states would rather leave this great nation then to work/ communicate with our great president. What's crazier is that NY is up there 1. I can't believe that 2. I didn't sign/see any petition.

[Reapersopinions]

It's a d*mn shame the government that we the people elect, address Serious National issues with statements like "you'll receive and official statement on this matter, soon". In the mean time they actually try to spin the information or worm their way out of addressing serious matters brought to their attention by the people that put them in their position in a proper and timely manner!! The "official statement" given to Texas should be Publicly accessable to everyone, Now not soon(meaning when their public relations people come up with a good line)!

I for one didn't sign the petition ONLY because this country needs to be United, not fighting amoungst ourselves! But It Should make the citizens of this country stand up and remember we have already had one civil war and the first one had alot to do with race! Don't be stupid enough to think a second one couldn't happen!! By then it would be too late! This country has so many foreign enemies do you really think it would be that hard for them to Destroy this country if they were smart enough to take advantage of our internal issues!

Get a d*mn clue you sheep! Stop just sitting on your a**, Speak your Opinions, make this a better country for all! Make the government take resonsibility for their actions!! It all starts with just one voice! If Abraham lincoln, Martin luther King, and even the reelection of a man mainly because of his race, has taught us anything, it taught us that it doesn't really take much to change a nation!!!

[fossil322]

I beg your pardon....The first secession did not happen during Lincoln's term,it came about under Buchannon's term as a protest against a unfair tariffs....Slavery was not a issue until fodder
for the war was needed in the last half ...Even then,freedom was only obtained for those that served the cause of yankee aggression....Since then facts have been distorted as racism
for the one upmanship of politicans to gain status and power.

Slavery would have went away on it's own because the cost of maintaining housing, food, medical,for the Blacks,Irish and Italians exceeded any profit realized, as the europeans had already figured out....As the potatoe famine produced a influx of fresh labor who would work the mines for pennies , pay rent on the houses already built, pay for their own medical and spend what's left in the company store, profit happened beyond belief.

Hey, think maybe we have a new system of slavery today with all our social programs?????

[renloumarks]

Agreed!!!!! Our Federal Government is not run by the people and haven't been for many year's. Its run by the Illuminati who's agenda is one world order. They are seriously no better than Nazis.
Even JFK tried to warn the people in a speech before they killed him. They have silences several people including Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King, even John Lennon.

[overhrowthem]

Lets have another civil war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[renloumarks]

Agreed! They are slowly but surely taking away our Civil rights. What we vote in at a state level, they want to take away/ They take control of way too much, our land, freedom, 2nd amendment rights!Our Fed Gov are being controlled by Nazis that are still in power with is The Illuminati! Determined for one world order that is quite evil.