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CBS News/ October 12, 2012, 6:00 AM

Will Ryan help Romney turn Wisconsin red?

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney (L) and his running mate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) greet supporters during a homecoming campaign rally at the Waukesha County Expo Center on August 12, 2012 in Waukesha, Wisconsin.

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APPLETON, Wis. The election may be only a month away, but that doesn't mean Brenda Hansen wants to have a conversation about politics.

"Nobody says the P word," said Hansen, who lives an hour south of Green Bay. "You talk about football, you talk about baseball. People even are talking about the weather. We're talking about what we're buying for Christmas. Just not politics."

It's easy to understand why. Over the past two years, Wisconsin has emerged as perhaps the best illustration of just how polarized the American political landscape has become. That's due in large part to Republican Gov. Scott Walker's attempt to pass legislation curbing the bargaining power of public sector unions after his 2010 election, which set off a protracted battle that included angry protests in the capital and a failed recall attempt in June.

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"I'm so sick of politics after the whole governor fiasco," said Hansen's friend Kelly Abel of Appleton. "This past year, two years, has just been politics. I'm sick of hearing everything."

She's going to have to endure it a little bit longer. Wisconsin has emerged as one of the key battleground states in the presidential election, thanks in part to Mitt Romney's decision to tap Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan as his running mate. A Quinnipiac University/CBS News/New York Times poll out Thursday showed the race to be effectively a tossup: President Obama leads Romney 50 percent to 47 percent in the battle for the state's 10 electoral votes. The Obama campaign is clearly spooked: Mr. Obama has visited the state twice over the past month, including a stop in the Democratic stronghold of Madison right after the first presidential debate. Vice President Joe Biden and first lady Michelle Obama have also made campaign trips to the state over the past two months. And the Obama campaign started running ads in the state in September.

In light of Mr. Obama's 14-point Wisconsin victory four years ago, one might think that the Obama campaign shouldn't have needed to go to the trouble. But Wisconsin is a more divided state than the 2008 election suggests: Though a Republican hasn't won here since Ronald Reagan's landslide victory in 1984, Wisconsin came within a half point of going to George W. Bush in both 2000 and 2004. The Badger State may be home to liberal bastions like Madison and liberal politicians like former Sen. Russ Feingold and Senate candidate Tammy Baldwin, but it's also the land of Walker, Ryan, Republican National Committee chair Reince Priebus and the GOP stronghold of Waukesha County, which supported McCain over Mr. Obama by a 26 point margin.

And while Democrats are seen as having an organizational advantage in most of the battleground states, Wisconsin is an exception thanks to the expensive Walker recall fight. Last month, Obama campaign manager Jim Messina acknowledged that Republicans "test drove their car [in Wisconsin] whereas in other states they haven't."

"It would make sense they're strong here, as are we," he said. "They are stronger than McCain was in '08, no question, on the ground."

A victory in Wisconsin would give Romney some very important breathing room in getting to the 270 electoral votes necessary to win the presidency. Even after the boost he got following the first presidential debate, Romney has a relatively narrow path to 270. Winning Wisconsin would mean he could afford to lose states like Iowa and New Hampshire; it would also give him a plausible path to victory that does not include Ohio's 18 electoral votes. If Romney loses Wisconsin and Ohio, he would have to complete a near-sweep of the other seven battleground states to secure a victory.

The Ryan effect

Wisconsin Republicans say that Romney's decision to tap Ryan, who faced off at the vice presidential debate against Joe Biden on Thursday night, has energized their side. "What Paul Ryan being on the ticket does is add to our voter enthusiasm," says a Romney campaign official in Wisconsin. "And enthusiasm is what wins races."

That enthusiasm could be seen at the Rochester Deli in Waukesha, where Dan Trawicki, who works in law enforcement, said he was backing what he referred to as the "Romney-Ryan ticket."

"I think Paul Ryan is one of the first elected officials to speak openly and honestly about some of the entitlements that are there, that we're in trouble," he said.

It's not clear that Ryan's roots will sway many Wisconsin voters, however. The landscape has changed since John F. Kennedy tapped Texan Lyndon Johnson as his running mate in 1960 in order to win Texas and other Southern states, says University of Wisconsin-Madison professor Kenneth Mayer.

"There isn't a whole lot of evidence that a vice presidential nomination can make a non-competitive race competitive today," he said. "But at the same time - a vice presidential nominee from a state can add a couple of percentage points." And with the candidates now separated by just three percentage points, that could be enough to swing the race.

Democrats are quick to point out that Ryan simply wasn't all that well known statewide before he was tapped by Romney - one July survey found that more than a third of Wisconsinites said they did not have enough information about him to say whether they had a favorable impression. "At this point, you'd be hard-pressed to make the argument that he's helping Romney anywhere but his own congressional district," said an Obama campaign official in Wisconsin. "He only represented one part of the state, he passed on a statewide run."

Carol Smith, a conservative Romney supporter who lives in Waukesha County, said that while she was "thrilled" that Ryan was picked, she doesn't think the choice is going to have a significant impact on most voters in the state.

"I think it made a difference in some early enthusiasm, but I don't know," she said. "Maybe for some swing voters. But people who are going to vote for Romney are going to vote for him anyway."


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ongelooflijk-2009 says:
Economists, scientists warn of rising sea level in Florida (cbsnews.com 10-20-12) - "Over 100 scientists and economists signed a letter to both presidential candidates warning about the dangers of rising sea levels in Florida".

Nobody's waging a war on coal Ryan-----It's called 'Global Warming' resulting in climate change world wide and all the countries in the world are going to have to balance economic growth with cleaner technologies if we want to avert disaster! Of course Romney and Ryan don't appear to be too concerned about the issue or seem to understand the meaning of the words 'balance' and 'sustainability' in their approach to energy policy particularly where it intersects with economic growth.
Global Warming is a National Security issue boys and you haven't a clue. Obama has always had a clearer vision and better policy for both the near and long term while these guys want to pull out 'all' the stops and go back to 'business as usual'!

By 2100 10 to 15 million Floridians will have been displaced if levels continue to rise as they are and that's not even the most dire prediction!
Hey, watch the video for yourselves and don't permit yourselves to be dumbed-down by the radical Republican rhetoric!
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rhytonen says:
Wisconsin has suffered under the effects of today's Corporate-owned GOP more than most, perhaps excepting MI and NJ. WI, along with OH, has also shown us how populist spirit can defeat them.

I strongly believe, and fervently hope, that will continue through Nov. and the decade to come - or there won't BE an America by then, just a wasteland of corporate extraction dead zones, and dead seniors.
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wfw3536 replies:
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I guess you do not know what has happened in Wisconsin. Walker took care of a 3.3 billion debt which the former Dem governor tried to ignore and cover up with accounting tricks. Walker just annouced a second year of having money to put in a rainy day fund for the future. The difference between a conservative and the tax and spend libs.
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jscott418-21618367473133020464 says:
You know I live in Illinois and their were a lot of tense moments for Wisconsin people as a re count of the governor election was done. A lot of union support for a re count in which they really gave the impression that the election would be over turned. However in the end that was not the case. I think it sent a message that even other Americans are tired of unions complaining about their situations while most Americans work in a non union job.
I think unions themselves have turned away any sympathy they used to get from other working Americans.
The end result was most Wisconsin voters realized that changes had to come to reel in spending. I think that holds true in America as a whole. We need a simpler system of government, a stronger more stable government and less of Americans believe more government involvement solves problems. Obama is not a bad person but his ideology believes that more government control is the answer for everything. It is very much like the European models of government which are now facing huge deficits. Nobody is saying government cannot be used to help business and its people. I just think the people we elected to government have not spent our money very well and the results we have seen have not paid off. No matter if Obama or Romney gets into the Presidency. We have to expect more results from Congress and the President. They work for us. They should do so much better.
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rhytonen replies:
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The EU has problems partially due to the same influences that gave US the recession.

Some of THEIR fascist elements (what Mussolini defined as State and Industry power merged, or what "we" now shamefully praise as "Biz./Govt. Partnership") are actually stronger than ours.
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twophad says:
I hope there are enough people in my birthplace with better sense--Ryan is a total fake!
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rhytonen replies:
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Rocky - Yes.
Because the job will be in China.
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skeptically says:
"Will Ryan help Romney turn Wisconsin red?"

I suppose, but he'd have to barge into an awful lot of St. Vincent DePauls and re-wash and awful lot of clean dishes to do so. If that doesn't make them see red, I don't know what would! ;-)
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nousernamesareleft says:
Ryan's is a divided district, it's not a sure thing for him. As a Wisconsinite, I'm hoping that we'll lose him both in the House and as VP. We shall surely remain blue.
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IW15RICH says:
RYAN IT IS HIS PLAN TO GET RID OF MEDICARE--
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rhytonen replies:
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If what "scares people"(-Rocky) is an easily proven FACT -
Then they SHOULD be scared.

And the GOP has documented and repeated that FACT ever since the programs began.
azfalcon55 replies:
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I think you confuse Ryan with the guy at the top of the Democrat ticket. Universal Insurance (Obamacare) will eliminate the need for Medicare and Medicaid - since everyone is required to buy their own health insurance. If you don't - the IRS will tax and penalize you for not having it.
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carolo43 says:
Romney is out still "creating jobs" I see. Another factory bought out and closed down by Bain and heading for China. This one right now in Illinois. Romney will get to line his pockets again off the backs of the working person.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/us/politics/as-romney-repeats-trade-message-bain-maintains-china-ties.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
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1ATL1 says:
Does Wisconsin need a want to be dish washer or what?
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rhytonen replies:
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NO, but maybe the Wienermobile could use another EXPERIENCED driver.
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Molly-Pchr says:
It's not only Wisconsin. Nobody is talking about politics where I live. We're all getting up, going to work, volunteering, taking care of our kids, "moving forward" as the politicians like to say ad nauseam. We'll vote on 11/6. But we the people keep things going while all these political clowns we $upport live in some kind of netherworld, some mythical Wonderland where nothing gets done despite all the talk and gesticulation. What's the congressional approval rating this week? Are we into the negative numbers yet?
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rhytonen replies:
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I suggest it's the obstinately low-information laziness you describe that has allowed vast corporate money to flood those few moments you have, with peripherally noticed repetitive propaganda ads and Fake "news."

That's exactly why they've manipulated wages and benefits so LOW that you ARE so overwhelmed.

Stop. Think. Do a little research.
Then bother to change it.
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