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Lucy Madison /

CBS News/ October 5, 2012, 6:00 AM

In first debate woes, Obama's not alone

President Obama speaks during the Presidential Debate at the University of Denver on October 3, 2012 in Denver, Colorado.

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After a widely criticized performance in this week's debate, President Obama proved he's not immune to the pitfalls of the modern presidential campaign cycle. But the president can take solace in a look back at history: He's hardly the first sitting president to flub the first debate of a general election campaign - and he wouldn't be the first to win the election despite it, either.

According to Alan Schroeder, a professor at Northeastern University and the author of "Presidential Debates: 50 Years of High-Risk TV," the president joins a long line of incumbent presidents -- including Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and both Bushes -- who essentially bombed their first time back in the ring.

"More often than not, the first debates have been very difficult for incumbent presidents," he said. "They're out of practice, which is a big part of it, they don't have as much time to devote to debate preparation as people whose full-time job is running for office."

Not to mention the fact that most sitting presidents aren't used to being directly challenged even in the privacy of the West Wing - much less in front of 50+ million viewers on live national television.

"There's kind of an attitude adjustment," Schroeder said. "Presumably the debate was a wake-up call for Obama. I remember back in 2000, Al Gore had a really bad first debate, and when the 'Saturday Night Live' parody came out, his advisers forced him to watch it. I'm wondering whether the Obama people might not have a similar thought after this weekend."

Terry Holt, a Republican strategist who worked on George W. Bush's 2004 presidential campaign, recalled the aftermath of the Republican incumbent's weak showing in the first debate of the general election - though he brushed off the notion that Mr. Obama's situation is comparable.

"After three or four days of ruminating about how they did, the president hunkered down," Holt said. "President Bush recognized that the debates were important moments and that he couldn't rely on his record and his leadership - that he had to rise to this occasion and be sharp and focused and determined. So he looked at his own debate performance and said, 'I've got to do better.' But it took us awhile to get to that point."

Mr. Obama, a famously intense competitor, is already signaling a possible shift in attitude. While he was panned in the debate for being passive and uninspired, on the campaign trail Thursday he went after Romney aggressively, mocking his one-liners and ribbing his "spirited" performance in Denver.


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elimba says:
The author of the article said this:

"What happened last night is that people who didn't like Mitt Romney found that they could like him, and that in fact he had something important to say."

This sentence is obviously unfinished ...

I am afraid that for scores of Americans, it doesn't matter if what Romney is saying is true or not. All that matters to them, is that he "appears" to be believable. All is sadly in the appearance only in this country.

Therefore, I would rather read:

"What happened last night is that people who didn't like Mitt Romney found that they could like him, and that in fact he had something important to say, nevermind how truthful or not"
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Gameheel says:
I am not sure how this article could be more complimentary of our President. Media bias is maddening, but has become very transparent.
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hamiltongrad says:
Our nation deserves a full time engaged President. Who would that be ?
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Internet-Free-Press says:
ROMNEY: THE QUICK CHANGE ARTIST...
Posted on October 7, 2012 by jcarroll

Romney is like the man on the horse at the circus who can change his coat from the inside to the outside without you see how he did it; or like the person running the shell game at the Midway of a County Fair.
Even tho, it appeared that he won the first debate- he lost. Romney proved beyond any doubt that he is a liar on his tax plan. Romney proved that he will gut Social Security, Medicare, Obama Care and any program that benefits anyone but the rich. He gave us a perfect example: PBS and "Big Bird." Romney proved that he is still a high school bully by breaking the rules of the debate and playing by the rules of a Bain Vulture Capitalist. Visit the Internet Free Press and see how you can help PEOPLE POWER PRICE CONTROL and Consumer Price Control bring down the price of gasoline below $3.00 per gallon.
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SkeeterVT says:
Ronald Reagan lost his first re-election debate with Walter Mondale in 1984, yet went on to rack up the greatest re-election landslide in U.S. history, losing only Mondale's home state of Minnesota.

Truth be told, the only incumbent president that ever won the first debate was Bill Clinton in 1996. He thoroughly demolished his GOP challenger Bob Dole.
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bluejacket2-2009 says:
Seriously, the thing I'm hearing most discussed about this debate is Big Bird.. 77 million Americans remember growing up watching Big Bird and Elmo on PBS... laugh all you want but the topic of being a bully surrounds Mitt Romney...

Federal subsidies to PBS equal what the Defense Department spends in 6 hours, SIX hours.. Rural PBS stations that receive a high proportion of federal funding will shut down and kids whose parents that can't afford cable will lose access to many programs including Sesame Street. Romney is not only a bully he's nuts...
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JTP711 says:
I am still afraid of Mitt Romney. The man is a compulsive liar, proven over and over, a bully-think high school, a fake-- from the skin-tone to the bone, a goof ball-- whom even his wife worries about his mental health, things trees a the right height, wanted to let Osama bin Laden continue to haunt us, wanted Detroit to fail, is against a woman's right to choose, I could go on and on... I dont care how bad Pres. Obama performs in debates, I will never ever trust Mitt Romney with this country... and I haven't even begun to lay our what it right with OBAMA!!
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walkthetalk replies:
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I love my dog and i would trust the President, to take care of my Rotten Wilder any day.
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AOCGUY says:
EmpireGeorge---_______-- says: AOCGUY

Wait, what happened to in 2008, it was so scary, that Palin would be one-heartbeat away from the presidency, how scary and horrible if McCain would win, because Sarah Palin would be VP......now you are claiming, VP debates don't matter and the VP doesn't matter, huh ??

Not vert bright today george. The VP debate doesn't matter because it wont be a determinent of the election. And just because Ryan is a better debater than Biden doesn't mean that he would be a better VP. Palin on the other hand couldn't pour pi$$ out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel.
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empirebuilder says:
What happens today is no guarantee of tomorrow.... further what happened in the past is not guarantee that it will happen in the future... can you hum "Sweet Home, Chicago!"..
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AOCGUY replies:
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God could you be any deeper? What a brilliant comment!

How about tough times don't last - tough people do?
AOCGUY replies:
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Why do you feel the need to post under several different names georgie?
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rksharma-2009 says:
There is no way a man who lied 27 times in 38 minutes won the debate. It is media and pundits who want to make this race closer in order to market their TV. According to me Romney has tied himself with an anchor in the first debate where he declared 8 trillion dollars of cuts and spending. 5 trillion = 3 trillion to make Bush tax cuts permanent + 1 trillion by reducing tax rates by 20% + 1 trillion by eliminating estate taxes, and other taxes. 2 Trillion new spending on defense. 716 billion dollars of reverse spending on medicare, and 300 billion dollars additional spending by cutting the Obama Care. Romney policies will put 72 million people out of health care, which is OK according to Romney because these people can go to emergency and get care, which is 5 times more expensive, and will increase our debt. Now let us if Obama calls Romney and asks him how he intends to fill this 8 trillion dollars new hole that he is going to create.
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empirebuilder replies:
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And Obama, who has LIED TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC REPEATEDLY for four years...... jigs up.
AOCGUY replies:
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And empire can lie over and over but it still won't make it true.
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