CBS News/ March 17, 2012, 2:40 PM

Analysis: Searching for truth in Afghan massacre

Afghan villagers pray during a ceremony for the victims of Sunday's massacre of civilians, in Panjwai, Kandahar province, Afghanistan, March 13, 2012.

Afghan villagers pray during a ceremony for the victims of Sunday's massacre of civilians, in Panjwai, Kandahar province, Afghanistan, March 13, 2012. / AP Photo/Allauddin Khan

Analysis by CBS News Afghanistan consultant Jere van Dyk

(CBS News) The shooting apparently took place in Panjawaii (as it is spelled on my Afghan map), 15 miles southwest of Kandahar. The city itself (once a quiet, romantic oasis of canals, palm trees and fruit stands piled high, but no longer), is small. But the whole area for miles around is a vast warren of baked, single-story mud homes, and higher houses with holes in the sides, where they dry grapes. In between there are small plots of land, some with trenches where they grow grapes, and there are groves of pomegranate trees, and villages filled with cousins, large clans and tribal loyalty.

A former soldier, Graeme Woods, who has worked in this region, wrote a rather condescending article in The New York Times on Friday explaining how primitive these homes are - in part, it seems, to help explain why the shooter might have felt like he was on another planet, going through his "umpteenth spacewalk," in this "Potemkin village."

While the U.S. has characterized last weekend's massacre as an assault by a lone person, villagers said - and Karzai at least publicly seemed to agree - that they believed more than one shooter took part in the massacre. Karzai said the U.S. Army was impeding the Afghans' investigation.

Now this gets interesting. The West will not believe the Afghans, only the Americans. But be careful.

In 2006, I went up into the mountains where Pat Tillman was killed. I took a video and still cameras, the U.S. Army report (which Tillman's father gave me), and Afghan guides. I went over the terrain twice, in two trips, and read the report carefully. I interviewed every Afghan I could find who was there that day, separately, at different locations, never telling one that I was interviewing the other. Their stories, and the video, were different from the Army's report, especially if one includes what the U.S. soldiers who were with Tillman said.

As Mary Tillman's book "Boots on the Ground by Dusk" and Jon Krakauer's book "Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman" have shown, the U.S. Army, including Gen. Stanley McChrystal, did not tell the truth, to put it mildly.

Bales probably acted alone, but there may be more to this.

One of the houses has four rooms, a big house. Adults sleep separately from the children, if possible. They, like any couple, want privacy. The father was away. The dirt floors are generally swept clean and can even shine. The families would have slept on narrow wood cots with crossed rope bottoms and thin mattresses, or they slept on thin cushions, on the ground, or on kilims or capets.

The shooter must have dragged them or carried them from their cots, if they slept on them, and put them all together in one room. Karzai said it wasn't possible. I don't know, but how could the soldier do this without worrying about other villagers coming? But then, maybe he didn't care. Would other villagers have cowered in their homes, afraid, or would some have come out?

Yes, Afghans lie, definitely, beautifully, extravagantly. But in my experience they also more often than not tell the truth. We will see.

In my view this case offers two possibilities regarding the villagers: (1) They do not like American soldiers, for so many of them to say that other soldiers were present, meaning that as a rule they are afraid of them; or (2) that they were ashamed over not responding as Afghan men, and thereby let one person massacre their neighbors.

An Afghan delegation walks with locals after a memorial ceremony in Kandahar province, March 13, 2012.

/ JANGIR/AFP/Getty Images

In traditional Pashtun culture, in war one must protect women and children. It would have taken time, I would think, to move all the bodies, cover them and set them on fire.

In Islam, in Afghanistan, a body must be washed and cleaned when the person enters Paradise. Mohammad Atta washed himself before beginning his mission on 9/11. The bodies were burned, and thus desecrated. The assailant's act, to an Afghan, was thus beyond cruelty. Will those children now never be able to enter Paradise?

I have been told that the Taliban cut off heads (which they learned from al Qaeda) in part so that the victim cannot go to Paradise. The body is not whole. We shall see how the mullahs react.


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rainbowroosie says:
This is a crusade. If you have the stomach to fight do so; if not, leave and live with what happens...it is really a simple choice of how to deal with a clash of cultures.
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GuyMontag425 says:
"In 2006, I went up into the mountains where Pat Tillman was killed ... the US Army, including Gen. Stanley McChrystal, did not tell the truth, to put it mildly."

True. I've written extensively about how President Obama and the Democratic Congress contined the Bush Administration's white-wash of Gen. McChrystal's central role in the Army's cover-up of Tillman's 2004 friendly-fire death (for details, see posts at the feralfirefighter blog).

The best book I've read on the Afghan war is Michael Hasting's new book, "The Operators." He discusses both Gen. McChrystal and why he believes the Afghan war is the "wrong war, in the wrong place."
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nor-one replies:
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Why are you surprized at the coverup for McChrystal?? To this day you never hear about the initial cover up of the murders at Mai Li, that was put out by our hero Gen. Colin Powel. All he got when the truth came out, was a promotion and the adulation of millions. This creeps lying lawyer has just started the ball rolling, watch the excuses fly now.
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imawombat says:
I fail to see how this piece is "searching for truth." While the author seems to present an understanding of the Afghan people and writes as if he is questioning what happened, he fails to mention that there were actually 2 massacres in 2 separate villages which appear, by reports from local elders, to be 4 km apart. He also fails to mention the numerous and infamous "night raids" carried out by American soldiers - on official duty - that have led to the deaths of many civilians and that have hampered any hopes of a binding agreement between the US and Afghanistan about a going-forward strategy. The US military was quick to pounce upon a single soldier that they claim is deranged, and yet makes no effort to even listen to the Afghani side of the story, nor will they allow anyone from the country whose citizens were slaughtered on March 11 to have access to question the soldier. Something smells rotten here, and given the lies and cover-ups to date by our side, the smell appears to be emanating from our camp.
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ConSense says:
I am FAR past being concerned if Afghans "believe" Americans, like Americans, hate Americans, or whatever. President Karzi needs a smack-down in a serious way for the trash talking he does about the very people who made it possible for his sorry tail end to be elected. Unfortunately, even the lowest of Afghan peasants knows that America no longer has a backbone, mostly due to the actions of the current "commander" in chief. They know he will soon surrender and leave them to their fate when the Taliban picks up right where it left off. All those American troops will have died for nothing, the dream of democracy in Afghanistan will die, and the cowardly Obama still be apologizing. And the liberals of America won't have enough common sense to feel ashamed.
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imawombat replies:
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While you're at it, let's smack down the rest of the world and all the puppet governments we have tried to install along the way. Your comments not only reflect an uneducated sort of brutish violence, they are almost an echo of a rant one can pick up randomly by tuning into Fox "news." I am amazed at the number of people that vent their suppressed childhood rage in these comments rather than offering up even a tiny bit of thoughtful, reflective reason or logic. Crawl back into your cave, pop open a beer, and tune in "Survivor" or whatever other sort of "educational TV" you're watching.
nor-one replies:
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Before you start blaming Obama for Karsi, give your head a shake! Bush et al gave you Karsi and his whole corrupt family! Bush/cheny picked him out of Unocal(now Chevron) and made him leader. He was bought and paid for but like american politions he just won't stay bought. When the US finally pulls out of there he'll be the first guy looking for sanctuary. If he sticks around his own people will kill him.
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MomsHugs says:
We don't know what happened! This CBS article clearly makes the point that we know only whatever the military wants us to think, which may or may not be the truth; and that the Afghans have not sorted it out yet either.

@joelycra: Thank you for the link to an Afghan news source with states their parliamentary probe concluded there were at least 20 troops, split into 2 villages. However, a later article states the Elders rejected the probe's assertion women were sexually assaulted.
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MomsHugs replies:
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PS: For all we know, this is what happened: Staff Sgt. Bales went after his squad when he did a bed check, then after discovering the bodies, he was returning to base in shock. Meanwhile his squad had already slipped back into base and into bed ahead of when the Afghan guard saw him leave alone. That is just as feasible a story as what we have heard in the news for a week!
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LeeLACA says:
A tragic situation involving a respected soldier with mental health issues no doubt, but just how does this differ from those we have imprisioned in Guantanamo? I'm sure many of those men could claim extreme stress-related issues - were they given a chance, even a trial? What will be the result of his actions? More killings, more soldiers at higher risk? This is a war crime, plain and simple and he should be handed over to the Iragis. He committed a horrible act and should pay the consequences to protect others he has now put at risk, including civilians. In this case, the lives of many are far greater than the life of one...
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pbaird2 says:
Where is the Afghan outrage when the Taliban kill scores of their own people with suicide bombs or IED's? What occured here is not acceptable and the perpetrator will be severely punished. We have mass murders in the US but we do not riot in the streets; we let the LAW process the issue. These people, as a culture, do not deserve our concept of democracy and freedom; we must leave them to develop at their own pace.
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slatep replies:
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ARE YOU KIDDING.?

These countries existed long before the US was even thought about.

Just their ideas of justice (beheading, stoning people to death, cutting off the hands of children for stealing bread etc,) shows how much they developed as a people.

Our goal in Afghanistan was to get bin-Laden.

Turns out our "allies?"; the Pakistanis'; had been hiding him for seven of the ten plus years we have had boots on the ground.

It makes no difference wether our troops leave Afghanistan tomorrow or in 2014.

The barbacic civilizations will return to their former ways the day after we pull out.
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BOKP says:
I would suggest to the U.S.A. to leave these barbarians alone. Let them kill each other. All those voices demanding justice are able to do so because they have been given the security and freedom to express themselves.

The U.S. soldier was not right in what he did, but working in circumstances where people boo you, insult you, kill you, threaten you, it becomes difficult to differentiate between a friend and a foe. Something must have provoked the soldier to take this extreme but unjustified step.

U.S.A. get out of Afghanistan and let Afghans and other arab people kill each other. There would be that many barbarians less in this world.
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destruk3 replies:
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right....so you're saying little babies who boo you are the enemy and deserve to die.
blindddhorse replies:
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Them little babies,grow up and kill our little babies.
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NorthrupP61 says:
The media is working very hard to drum up sympathy for Bales - as is his irritating attorney. The bottom line is: He brutally manhandled and then shot children and then set them on fire. Even had he been a saint before his murder spree, he is a monster now. There are no excuses for his crimes, there should be no more mercy shown to him than he showed his victims. But of course he'll get away without paying with his life. Too bad.
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involved_indi replies:
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innocent until proven guilty... unless you were there, you're basing your rant on a handful of stories from a people who routinely lie and where deception has been a way of life for centuries.
robert1129 replies:
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You are way off base. While the Sgt cannot be left off scott free, the true guilty ones are the ones that sent him on his 4th deployment who knew or should have known that they were sending a ticking time bomb. The system is supposed to protect againist that happening so they must have violated the system.

Whether or not there was a 2nd or 3rd man is trumped by the actual fact that there are other such ticking time bombs in Afghan and that no amount of training, counseling, punishment or whatever will stop them from exploding to. Their is no remedy except to withdraw and withdraw now. The culture within our troops was simply to survive, look after their buddies and then come home safe. Now, they have added contempt for the very folks they are supposed to win the minds and hearts from. That is impossible now.
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MaxK341 says:
These senseless wars damage our own boys for life. They can never be "Normal" after what they have experienced.
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NorthrupP61 replies:
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What a cruel judgement on the men and women of our armed forces. My husband did not come back as a ticking time bomb, nor do the majority of them. Affected yes, abnormal NO. Bales is a vicious child killer who's endagered his own family and become a stain on our armed forces.
jackobyte replies:
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Domestically Americans go on killing sprees regular as clockwork so why does it surprise anyone that they do the same abroad?

I suppose the domestic cases must also be some kind of stress and should be excused, no?

Remember the big General had just "begged" his troops to not take revenge due to some deaths after the Koran burnings. I guess that plea fell on deaf ears ...
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