AP/ October 17, 2012, 10:31 PM

Texas attorney general to defend cheerleaders' Bible banners

A banner made by the Kountze High School cheerleaders displays a Bible verse.

A banner made by the Kountze High School cheerleaders displays a Bible verse. / Facebook/Support Kountze Kids

AUSTIN, Texas Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said Wednesday he will defend high school cheerleaders who want to use Bible verses on banners at football games.

Abbott has filed court papers to intervene in a lawsuit that cheerleaders at Kountze High School filed against the school district complaining that a new policy violated their freedom of speech. In September, district officials told the cheerleaders to stop using Bible verses at football games after the Freedom From Religion Foundation complained.

The atheist group argued that using banners with phrases such as, "I can do all things through Christ that strengthens me," violates the First Amendment prohibition on the government establishing a religion.

After the school told the cheerleaders they could no longer use Bible verses, they filed suit in Hardin County district court. State District Judge Steve Thomas put a hold on the new school policy while he considered the arguments, and the cheerleaders continued to make the banners. He is expected to rule Thursday.

Abbott said that since the cheerleaders create the banners without school funding, they qualify as free speech and should not be banned.

"This is student-led expression, and that's perfectly constitutional," Abbott said. "We will not allow atheist groups from outside the state of Texas to come into the state to use menacing and misleading and intimidating tactics to try to bully schools to bow down to the altar of secular beliefs."

The foundation responded by accusing Abbott of abusing his elected position to promote religious views.

"Abbott has crossed the line from carrying out his secular constitutional duties to defend the state of Texas, to using his government bully pulpit to bully and scapegoat atheists," its statement said. "Those cheerleaders are free to worship as they like, go to the church of their choice, but not to exploit a public school event, and their school-sponsored podium, to push their personal religious views on an entire stadium."

The case began when the foundation wrote to the school district, threatening a lawsuit. The group is dedicated to the separation of church and state and believes that religion hinders social progress.

Joining Abbott at a press conference Wednesday, Gov. Rick Perry said he supported the cheerleaders and denounced the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

"Anyone who is expressing their faith should be celebrated, from my perspective, in this day and age of instant gratification, this me-first culture that we see all too often," Perry said. "We're a nation built on the concept of free expression of ideas. We're also a culture built on the concept that the original law is God's law, outlined in the Ten Commandments."

Kelly Shackelford, the president of Liberty Institute which is representing the cheerleaders, welcomed Abbott's intervention in the case.

"Greg Abbott again has proven that he is a friend of students and is willing to fight for their religious freedom," he said.

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FormerUSMCSergeant says:
Believers, for some strange reason, think that public displays of their cult of choice is somehow admirable.....
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lloydbest1 says:
It was Matthew (6:16), I believe, who quoted Christ's admonition "not to make a public spectacle of your piety". He goes on to say there is no special reward in God's eyes for doing so; At best it does nothing and at worst it offends those who do not believe as you do.

Matters of faith are very touchy and any unsolicited "sharing" of yours with another - even if the intent is innocent and unobtrusive - can be taken as an imposition, and an offensive one at that.

What these cheerleaders are doing may be legal, I don't know but just because you can doesn't always mean you should. The students involved and their school would be better served if they practised their faith quietly in the community instead of plastering it on a banner at an athletic event.
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margroks replies:
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Yes, it is indeed offensive and I do think it is illegal. I mean, really: asking God to help you win a SPORTING EVENT? That is appalling. These people just don';t like the fact that they are finally being expected to follow the Constitutional guidelines and they don't like it.
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FormerUSMCSergeant says:
wcmt618 says: I think freedom of speech should apply to everyone, not just those against Christianity.
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Many perceive those of us who resent "believers" arrogant perspective that they have a right to foist their beliefs on us anytime and anywhere they like to be "against Christianity". That, in and of itself is another demonstration of Christian arrogance.
Just because someone chooses to not enslave themselves intellectually to a cult doesn't mean they hate the enslavement of others. It simply means they want no part of it.
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wcmt618 replies:
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If you want no part of it, then why are you involving yourself with it? This was a sign that was torn down in minutes. No one was trying to "enslave" you in a cult. If they were forcing people to pray to God or be involved in their religious practices I might feel different. I apologize if you think my confidence and my love for God is "Christian arrogance" but if you've never been saved by his grace then I can see how you wouldn't understand.
I do have a question for you as I am ignorant on the subject..... I noticed in previous comments about our founding fathers that you quoted their statements making your point that they were against religion and did not believe in God.So please explain why "non believers" thought it was important to include God on our currency (In God We Trust), our Pledge of Allegiance (One Nation Under God), references in the Declaration of Independence(their Creator, Nature's God), etc. It seems to me they believed in the importance of God in our Nation's foundation but they had little use for "religion". At this time they were declaring their independence from England and the control of the Church of England so I can see why they wanted separation of "church" and state. I really enjoyed your previous comments and look forward to reading more.
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FormerUSMCSergeant says:
Mortarman_1SG29 replies: So, you are saying they lied in public about their beliefs, but in their writings and private interactions, they said and did differently? Wow!
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I would argue that only a total simpleton would be surprised that ANY public figure could express one sentiment in public, for whatever motive, yet express a different sentiment in private.
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wcmt618 says:
The quote on the banner I saw is from a book, the Bible. It has also been sung in many songs. If they had quoted from any other book or a pop-culture song would so many people be "offended"? The words on the sign were not disrespectful or demeaning to others. They did not say if you don't believe in our God you're going to hell. They were not forcing their belief on anyone. They didn't say that God was going to help them win. It said who could be against them. This could mean that no matter what the outcome of the football game, they will try to have joy for having the chance to participate, show sportsmanship and dignity in competition, and that they will all participate without injury.
I applaud government officials for not being bullied into stifling their beliefs. Yes they are elected officials and it is their beliefs, whether religious or moral, that has influenced them to make the decisions that resulted in their election to office in the first place. It seems to me that Christianity is the most fought religion by atheists. They want everything having to do with God and Christianity done away with. I am inclined to believe that these beliefs are the most threatening to them.
As far as quoting decisions in past cases, while they are crucial to outcomes of present cases, they are usually one judges interpretation of law in a particular case. They use previous cases to help them decide how the law applies to their current case but that doesn't mean that the decision made by a judge could be misinterpreted or made by bad judgement. That is why every case is tried anew because there are varying circumstances to be decided on.
As you may have already presumed, I am a Christian and will stand for Him in whatever way he leads me. For those of you who wonder or mock me, all I can say is I have been empty inside, hurt, and depressed with no idea which direction to take in my life. In my hopelessness I prayed to God to save me and ever since I have had joy and hope in my life. My situations in life have not changed but my attitude and my ability to handle them have.
I think freedom of speech should apply to everyone, not just those against Christianity.
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FormerUSMCSergeant says:
Mortarman_1SG29 replies: I have studied ALL of the Founders, and ALL of their available writings, etc. I know who they were, what they stood for, what they said. Unfortunately, you do not.
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Well, if true mort, you know that some of their statements were for public or political reasons and other were stetements of their own beliefs made in private settings.

Trying to say a man who said the world would be better off without religion as a believer in same is something only a person with a total logic disconnect would do.
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FormerUSMCSergeant replies:
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Yeah mort, you know ignorance, I'll give you that.

See the world any shewed way you wish.

These men were self-professed non-believers. They did so many times - usually in letters to acquaintences.

And that is an undeniable fact.

Fool yourself.
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jtdev1 says:
"...eating a Jews body and drinking his blood..."


Ahhhhh, Christians are cannibals! Priceless!!!!!
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FormerUSMCSergeant says:
askagain says:A person's religious observance doesn't stop at the schoolhouse door. Our founding fathers were mostly God fearing men..
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You're full of it.

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology." -- Thomas Jefferson

"I never once met a religious man who was not a brainless boor." - George Washington

"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it" John Adams

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches" Benjamin Franklin
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FormerUSMCSergeant replies:
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The statements speak for themselves mort and you can't dispute that.

Believe what you make up in your own mind as always with my blessing.
desdtsdrs replies:
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Thomas Jeferson Quote above __STATUStatus: We have not found this quotation in any of Jefferson's known writings. The second part of the listed variations, however ("Millions of innocent men..."), is legitimate and comes from Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVII. Here is the quotation with the material that actually precedes it in Notes:


"Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a Censor morum over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned: yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."[1]

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/superstition-christianity-quotation

Spread the truth and not lies
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FormerUSMCSergeant says:
This type of stupidity was one of the reasons why I left Texas.
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FormerUSMCSergeant replies:
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You know mort, you become more adolescent every day.Must be heading into that second childhood.....
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joe1022joe says:
The reason we have so much trouble with the Church/State issue is the US Supreme Court for a very long time has conflated what is a constitutional prohibition of governmental establishment of a religion into a ban on citizens expressing religious sentiments in any connection with any organization that is connected to any level of governmental activity. This is simply wrong. What the constitution bans is the US Government saying essentially, "You must believe in this particular religion." What the founding Fathers had in mind was the practice of citizens being forced to support churchs with tax money - frequently to pay the salaries of Church officials. This conflation has been used in recent decades to prevent the Christian majority from infusing religion publically into their lives. The Founding Fathers would have found this modern take of the Courts on the Constitution ludicrous.
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jmn122736 replies:
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joe1022joe says: "What the founding Fathers had in mind was the practice of citizens being forced to support churchs with tax money - frequently to pay the salaries of Church officials."
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Joe that statement is a little self-contradictory.
Churches in general and their pastors in particular are already supported by the tax dollars of EVERY citizen of the United States by the simple fact that churches pay NO taxes, meaning that everyone else's taxes must pay for the normal operations of the country.
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One thing more; since schools are funded by everyone's tax dollars, allowing cheerleaders to push/preach/show their own religion at these events forces anyone who believes otherwise to support/pay for their exhibitions, not to mention having to either unwillingly watch the exhibitions or not attend the games. The rights of free speech DOES NOT give anyone the right to tread upon others.
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