Marine Sgt. Gary Stein should go for criticizing Obama on Facebook, Board says
(AP) CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. - A military board has recommended dismissal for a Marine sergeant who criticized President Obama on his Facebook page, including allegedly putting the president's face on a "Jackass" movie poster.
The Marine Corps administrative board said after a daylong hearing late Thursday at Camp Pendleton that Sgt. Gary Stein has committed misconduct and should be dismissed.
The board also recommended that Stein be given an "other than honorable" discharge. That would mean Stein would lose his benefits and would not be allowed on any military base.
The board's recommendations go to a general who will either accept or deny them. If the general disagrees with the board, the case could go to the secretary of the Navy.
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Stein's lawyers argued that the 9-year Marine, whose service was to end in four months, was expressing his personal views and exercising his First Amendment rights.
"We're truly surprised and disappointed but it was an honor to fight for a hero like Sgt. Stein and every other Marine's right to speak freely," Stein's defense attorney Marine Capt. James Baehr said.
Stein addressed board members during Thursday's hearing, tell them he loved the Marine Corps and wanted to re-enlist, Baehr said.
Baehr expressed hope that the recommendation would be rejected by the general, saying the case will go forward. "The issues are too important for this to end today," he said.
During the hearing, the prosecutor, Capt. John Torresala, said Stein went as far as superimposing images of Obama's face on a poster for the movie "Jackass."
Torresala argued that Stein's behavior repeatedly violated Pentagon policy that limits the free speech rights of service members, and said he should be dismissed after ignoring warnings from his superiors about his postings.
The government submitted screen grabs of Stein's postings on one Facebook page he created called Armed Forces Tea Party, which the prosecutor said included the image of Obama on the "Jackass" movie poster. Stein also superimposed Obama's image on a poster for "The Incredibles" movie that he changed to "The Horribles," the prosecutor said.
Torresala also said anti-Obama comments by Stein that were posted on a Facebook page used by Marine meteorologists were prejudicial to good order and discipline, and could have influenced junior Marines.
Stein's security clearance was taken away and he has no future in the Marine Corps because he can't do his job without that clearance, Torresala said.
"The Marine Corps community views the command's lack of action as some kind of knock on good order and discipline," Torresala said. "Our own people are questioning why this Marine is not being held accountable."
Baehr said during the hearing that prosecutors were trying to dredge up any damaging information they could against Stein.
"There is no basis in this case," Baehr said. "Sgt. Stein has broken no law."
The military has had a policy since the Civil War limiting the free speech of service members, including criticism of the commander in chief.
Pentagon directives say military personnel in uniform cannot sponsor a political club; participate in any TV or radio program or group discussion that advocates for or against a political party, candidate or cause; or speak at any event promoting a political movement.
Commissioned officers also may not use contemptuous words against senior officials.
Backed by a team of lawyers and congressmen, Stein has said he is fighting for his constitutional rights and should be allowed to stay in the military. His lawyers and the American Civil Liberties Union contend his views are protected by the First Amendment.
"Think about how dangerous this could be if the U.S. government can prosecute you for something you say on your private Facebook page," Baehr said.
Stein has said his opinions are his own and has put a disclaimer on his Facebook page saying so. His attorneys argued service members have a right to voice their opinions as long as they do not appear to be presenting their views as being endorsed by the military. They say the Pentagon policy is vague and military officials do not understand it.
The Marine Corps has said it decided to take administrative action after Stein declared on Facebook that he would not follow orders from Obama and later clarified that statement saying he would not follow unlawful orders.
Stein said he was removed from his job at the Marine Corps Recruiting Depot in San Diego last month and given a desk job with no access to computers.
Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., a former Marine, wrote a letter to Stein's commanding officer stating the sergeant should not face dismissal for an opinion shared by a majority of Marines. Hunter said he was referring to Stein's statement that he would not obey unlawful orders. Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., also expressed support for Stein.
Stein said his statement about Obama was part of an online debate about NATO allowing U.S. troops to be tried for the Quran burnings in Afghanistan.
In that context, he said, he was stating that he would not follow orders from the president if it involved detaining U.S. citizens, disarming them or doing anything else that he believes would violate their constitutional rights.
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No military or civilian employee of the DOD can criticize his superior officer (at least be smart enough not put it in writing)
If it happen to a decorated General it can happens to a sargeant.
He deserves to be dishonorably dismissed. If we allow this to go un punish, then everybody in the armed forces would question orders or policy.
If he waited to be discharged to be a jackass , it would have been within his constitutional rights
cpl in 82 USMC. So I took the general discharge. I am now retired from City of Los Angeles /DWP with a pension equal to that of a retired Lt Col. In Okinawa in '82 I did go to 30 days CC, Correctional Custody. It is like boot camp, a refresher course. It is not the Brig. We got up at 330 am, ran, did situps, obstacle course, pull ups etc all before 5 30 am. I lost 20 lbs in 2 weeks. Hot August 1982 in Okinawa very humid. I loved it! I got down to 155 lbs of muscle, at 5 ft 11. My superiors did not like that I liked CC. I ran 3 miles in 16 min thanks to CC. We cut grass with a sling blade, swing blade for 8 hrs a day. Busy for 16 hrs a day like boot camp. I was rightly discharged, by my choice and my actions.
Herein lies the rub...
President Obama is not ordering Human Rights violations, nor is he ordering the burning of any Holy text. This fact does not indicate adherence to said text; it merely shows respect for disparate beliefs, and a desire not to stupidly inflame/enrage other peoples.
Incidentally, I think that President Obama would agree.
So, how is this an issue?
And as every single military member seems to say here, you give up your freedom of speech when you sign the line.
So this guy broke the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) by speaking out against his chain of command (Commander-In-Chief, ie, Obama). It'd be the same if I told my junior soldiers to disobey a Captain. It's treason, it's inspiring bad conduct and possible mutiny. Just agree with all the ex-military: the guy deserved it.