AP/ February 8, 2012, 7:34 AM

Will Supreme Court enter gay marriage fight?

Frank and Joe Capley-Alfano hold up their wedding photo at a celebration rally in front of City Hall in San Francisco, Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2012 after a federal appeals court declared California's same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional.

Frank and Joe Capley-Alfano hold up their wedding photo at a celebration rally in front of City Hall in San Francisco, Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2012 after a federal appeals court declared California's same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional. / Laura A. Oda,AP Photo/Bay Area News Group, The Tribune

SAN FRANCISCO - Conservative critics like to point out that the federal appeals court that just declared California's same-sex marriage ban to be unconstitutional has its decisions overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court more often than other judicial circuits, a record that could prove predictive if the high court agrees to review the gay marriage case on appeal.

Yet legal experts seemed to think the panel of the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit of Appeals struck down the voter-approved ban on Tuesday purposefully served up its 2-1 opinion in a narrow way and seasoned it with established holdings so the Supreme Court would be less tempted to bite.

The appeals court not only limited the scope of its decision to California, even though the 9th Circuit also has jurisdiction in eight other western states, but relied on the Supreme Court's own 1996 decision overturning a Colorado measure that outlawed discrimination protections for gay people to argue that the voter-approved Proposition 8 violated the civil rights of gay and lesbian Californians.

Court: Calif. gay-marriage ban unconstitutional

That approach makes it much less likely the high court would find it necessary to step in, as it might have if the 9th Circuit panel had concluded that any state laws or amendments limiting marriage to a man and a woman run afoul of the U.S. Constitution's promise of equal treatment, several analysts said.

"There is no reason to believe four justices on the Supreme Court, which is what it takes to grant (an appeal) petition, are champing at the bit to take this issue on," University of Michigan law school professor Steve Sanders said. "The liberals on the court are going to recognize this was a sensible, sound decision that doesn't get ahead of the national debate ... and I don't think the decision would be so objectionable to the court's conservatives that they would see a reason to reach out and smack the 9th Circuit."

Lawyers for the coalition of religious conservative groups that qualified Proposition 8 for the November 2008 ballot and campaigned for its passage said they have not decided whether to ask a bigger 9th Circuit to rehear the case or to take an appeal directly to the Supreme Court. However, they said they were optimistic that if the high court accepts an appeal, Tuesday's ruling would be reversed.

"The 9th Circuit's decision is completely out of step with every other federal appellate and Supreme Court decision in American history on the subject of marriage, but it really doesn't come as a surprise, given the history of the 9th Circuit, which is often overturned," Andy Pugno, the coalition's general counsel, said in a fundraising letter to Proposition 8's supporters. "Ever since the beginning of this case, we've known that the battle to preserve traditional marriage will ultimately be won or lost not here, but rather in the U.S. Supreme Court."

Regardless of their next steps, gay and lesbian couples were unlikely to be able to get married in California anytime soon. The 9th Circuit panel's ruling will not take effect until after the deadline passes in two weeks for Proposition 8's backers to appeal to a larger panel, and the earliest the Supreme Court could consider whether to take the case would be in the fall.

Judge Stephen Reinhardt, who was named to the 9th Circuit by President Jimmy Carter and has a reputation as the court's liberal lion, wrote Tuesday's 80-page majority ruling with concurrence from Judge Michael Daly Hawkins, an early appointee of President Bill Clinton. Judge Randy Smith, who was the last 9th Circuit judge nominated by President George W. Bush, dissented.

In tailoring the decision to apply only to California, Reinhardt cited two factors that distinguish Proposition 8 from the one-man, one-woman marriage laws and constitutional amendments in the other 9th Circuit states and that he said demonstrate that it "serves no purpose, and has no effect, other than to lessen the status and humanity of gays and lesbians."

The first is that California since 2005 has granted same-sex couples all the rights and benefits of marriage if they register as domestic partners. The second is that five months before Proposition 8 was enacted as a state constitutional amendment, the California Supreme Court's Court had legalized same-sex marriage by striking down a pair of laws that had limited marriage to a man and a woman. California is the only state, therefore, where gays have won the right to marry and had it stripped away.

The amendment's "singular" work of denying gay Californians the designation of marriage while leaving in place domestic partnerships proves that Proposition 8's deprive same-sex relationships of society's dignity and respect, Reinhardt wrote.

"A rose by any other name may smell as sweet, but to the couple desiring to enter into a committed lifelong relationship, a marriage by the name of `registered domestic partnership' does not," he said. "We are excited to see someone ask, `Will you marry me?', whether on bended knee in a restaurant or in text splashed across a stadium Jumbotron. Certainly, it would not have the same effect to see, `Will you enter into a registered domestic partnership with me?"'

The opinion goes on to draw parallels between California's same-sex marriage ban and the Colorado opinion the Supreme Court struck down on a 6-3 vote after concluding that it was based on moral disapproval of gays. Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the majority opinion in that case, known as Romer v. Evans, and if the court agrees to take up Proposition 8, the similarities could hit the "sweet spot" that might persuade him to side with four other justices in upholding the 9th Circuit, said Douglas NeJaime, an associate professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.

"Everyone is looking to Justice Kennedy, assuming that Justice Kennedy would not issue a sweepingly bad decision for gay rights, and yet people don't know if he is ready to go so far as to say nationwide same-sex couples can get married," NeJaime said. "I think the opinion evidences a real savviness about the posture of this case and its position in the trajectory of a national movement for marriage for same sex couples."

Smith, the lone dissenting judge, disagreed that Proposition 8 necessarily served no purpose other than to treat gays and lesbians as second-class citizens. He pointed out that its backers claimed it could serve to promote responsible child-rearing among opposite-sex couples, and said courts were obligated to uphold laws in the face of civil rights challenges unless they were "clearly wrong, a display of arbitrary power (or) not an exercise of judgment."

"There is good reason for this restraint," Smith said.

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ammo17 says:
they already have in california,the people of the state vote same sex marriage down and the 9 black robes overturn the will of the people.
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Simon-Bar-Sinister replies:
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Yeah, they did the same thing against segregation, and miscegenation (people of different races marrying). We call it civil rights...maybe you've heard of it.
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omded says:
Why are some people making such a big deal about this? So your next door neighbor happens to be a guy married to another guy. Who cares? Obviously, the two married guys care, but, why does anyone else give a heck?

The day the government tells a church that it has to marry gay couples, then I'll see a problem. But it hasn't done that. Your church still has the same right as always to refuse to marry gay couples.

What's the big deal here?
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starving1968-3 says:
by gruven13777100 February 8, 2012 3:23 PM EST
AOCguy....why so you think being gay is normal?







Why do you think that love is abnormal?
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AOCGUY says:
It is clear to me that at least among the posters on this site that oppose the 9th decisions that they base their beliefs on 1)some imaginary notion that they are somehow harmed by same sex marriage, 2) because same sex marriage allows tax exemptions and the ability to collect on their partners social security/medicare/benefits, or 3) that they envision that it will promote "icky" sex. Actually I think they have been fantasizing about the icky sex (at least Gruven has) way too much.

Since no other argument against the 9th's decision has been addressed I think that it stands a good chance of not being overturned.
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askagain says:
There is no way of predicting how the Supreme Court would handle this issue if they handle it at all. The Suptreme court has many options and they can choose not to listen to the issue. If they do listen to the issue, who is able to predict the outcome? Personally, I would like the Supreme Court to listen to this case and make a definitive decision one way or another. Either overturn the lower court or uphold their decision and finally decide whether gay marriage is permissable or not.
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starving1968-3 says:
by bundye February 8, 2012 2:46 PM EST
Let the courts enter, and put the ban back on!!!







The courts aren't going to disregard the US Constitution.

Sorry.
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starving1968-3 says:
by gruven13777100 February 8, 2012 2:47 PM EST
And why only 2 adults?

Why not 10?

How does me having 25 wives affect you personally? lol







If you want to live your life as the BIBLE TELLS YOU TO, by all means have at it.

I could care less what you do or who you do it with in your bedroom - as long as it's between consenting adults.

I respect your freedom and liberty to live your life as you see fit.

Too bad you can't make the same claim, huh?
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AOCGUY replies:
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Starving, if you want and can stand to have 25 wives then knock yourself out buddy. Doesn't affect me in the least. Not sure why you would want that a$$pain but if that's what you are into then by all means have at it. Going to require a really big bed though.
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Sorry starving, I should have addressed my comments to Gruven, of course if you want that many nags in your household as well, then you also have my permission.
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sadiedog1 says:
even though i am not gay , i support them 100% what give's our government the right to tell two people that are in love , they can't get married ?? i have no problem with it .who decided they can't get married ?? if you took the bible fable out of this, what's the problem . religious people need to clean up their own backyard before they condem others
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daffy64 replies:
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Jesus never condemned gay people. But Bible thumpers love to quote the Old Testament or the writings of Paul to back up their own hatred.

Funny how they'll endlessly quote old Jewish law when it supports their own prejudices but chose to ignore Christ's "ye who is without sin, let him cast the first stone" lesson.
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starving1968-3 says:
by gruven13777100 February 8, 2012 2:05 PM EST
This isn't about living together or gay sex...they already have plenty of that. It's about MONEY. Gays want social security benefits for partners. They want to force employers to pay for healthcare for their partners, especially for the overpriced AIDs drugs. They like to claim it's all about "equality" but their real goal is to leach more money out of the system for themselves.







So is this also why men and women get married - for the money?
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starving1968-3 says:
by ushallbesetfree February 8, 2012 1:33 PM EST

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. eNeither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor 2homosexuals, nor 3sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.






You're using THIS PASSAGE as your justification for your beliefs?

You DO realize that 95% of ALL people have violated this passage, don't you?
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AOCGUY replies:
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I thought ushallbesetfree was talking about Congress and the GOP Presidential hopefuls.
daffy64 replies:
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Crap. Despite going to church for 47 years, I got drunk a couple of years ago.

I'm doomed.
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