AP/ December 1, 2011, 9:05 AM

Occupy looks to hone agenda after camps fade

Los Angeles City sanitation workers clean up the aftermath of the Occupy Los Angeles after police broke up the large encampment of protesters who had been camping out for the past two months at City Hall, Nov. 30, 2011.

Los Angeles City sanitation workers clean up the aftermath of the Occupy Los Angeles after police broke up the large encampment of protesters who had been camping out for the past two months at City Hall, Nov. 30, 2011. / AP Photo/Gus Ruelas

NEW YORK - For more than two months, they were open-air communes where people came to rebuild society and start a nationwide discussion on how to close the wide gap between the rich and the poor. But as Occupy Wall Street tent cities fade away, a growing number of protesters are pushing to put a clear message ahead of the movement.

Alan Collinge has his list ready — return bankruptcy protection to student loans. Bring back regulations that were removed from the Glass-Steagall Act. End corporate personhood.

"They should come up with a short term list of no brainer agenda items," said Collinge, wearing a huge sign in the rain at New York's Zuccotti Park calling for student loan reforms.

More than a dozen other protesters interviewed by The Associated Press also came up with a wish list of specifics to address what they say is corporate greed and economic inequality. The list of demands ranged from the simple — get corporate money out of politics — to the ethereal (make sure Washington politicians act with a moral conscience).

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Asking Occupy protesters what, exactly, they would do to reform government and the financial system is a loaded question and a source of internal conflict. Collinge, 41, of Tacoma, Wash., said he has unsuccessfully lobbied Occupy's general assembly meetings in New York to develop a strong platform, but has been rebuffed.

"A lot of people, they think that this should be sort of a catchall" for every issue, he said, the goal being to expose the economic problems in the country, not solve them.

Other cities' movements have held meetings of committees with titles like "cohesive messaging" to discuss strategy, but haven't agreed on listing specifics as a movement. The greater purpose isn't to influence the government or the financial system through classic demands, but to foster broad cultural changes that will gradually empower people to stop depending on big corporations and Wall Street money.

"All the energy has gone into an outcry over economic conditions, with the hope that others will join us and pick up issues they care about," says Bill Dobbs, press liaison for Occupy Wall Street in New York. "Our best hope is inspiring other people to take action to bring economic justice."

Some observers and experts predict that Occupy groups may spend the next few months focusing on smaller actions while waiting for the summer when the Republican and Democratic conventions would give Occupiers a world-wide audience.

But ask around, and protesters who spent weeks living in encampments and talking about the country's woes have a clear idea of what they want.

A number have called for limiting campaign donations and getting big money out of politics. Some Occupy members want to limit the amount of money a person is allowed to give a politician. Others want to ban corporate donations specifically, or the number of campaign ads.

"How did Abraham Lincoln ever become president without a television set?" asked Ryan Peterson, an entertainment company worker from Chicago who lived for weeks in Zuccotti Park. Paul Lemaire, a 20-year-old visual arts student from Brooklyn, wants the two-party system eliminated.

The influence of money in politics is one of the greatest factors behind the gap between the superrich and the poor, said James Parrott, chief economist at the Fiscal Policy Institute in New York, which published a report last year on economic disparity. It shows "that they're very focused in understanding the root causes" of the country's economic issues, he said.

The call for tighter regulation of campaign contributions won't gain traction anytime soon. The Supreme Court, in its landmark Citizens United decision in January 2010, cleared the way for corporations to spend unlimited funds to influence elections, often using money from anonymous donors. The court struck down most of the so-called McCain-Feingold law that had set tight restrictions on such donations, arguing that government did not have the right to regulate political speech.

Campaign regulation, stopping wars that strain resources, halting corporate personhood — the spending power given to corporations in the 2010 Supreme Court ruling — and addressing higher education costs have emerged as key goals of the Occupy movement in Los Angeles. Organizers say they are now focusing on sharpening their objectives, as police moved in to shut down the two-month-old encampment this week.

"We've been collecting ideas, seeing what the priorities are, vetting and researching them," said activist Suzanne O'Keeffe, a member of Occupy LA's Demands & Objectives Committee.

Los Angeles member Mario Brito said the movement plans to pressure elected and bank officials for a moratorium on foreclosures, and said members would "occupy" bank lobbies, boardrooms and executives' homes to force the action.

In Minneapolis, five members of the Occupy MN "Cohesive Messaging Committee" gathered to talk strategy this week at a downtown coffee shop, asking that people attending recent General Assembly meetings fill out cards expressing broad themes that were important to them. The group entered the cards into a spreadsheet and found economic justice, democracy, education and campaign finance reform as the common themes.

Collinge, an aerospace engineer who later founded a website about problems with student loans, lists the congressional bill he wants passed to return bankruptcy protections to student loans. The Depression-Era Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial banking from investment banking, is another named law cited at the top of protesters' demands in cities across the country. Most of the restrictions that regulated the two forms of banking were repealed in 1999, and are blamed by many economists for contributing to the financial crisis in 2007.

Kalle Lasn, the co-founder of Adbusters, the Canadian magazine that helped ignite the Occupy movement, supports a 1 percent global "Robin Hood" tax on big financial transactions. Similar taxes and increases have been proposed for years, including the Obama administration's "financial crisis responsibility fee" tax proposal of last year, intended to raise $90 billion over the next decade.

As individual protesters and movements fashion a platform, experts and organizers warned that defining the movement more broadly keeps everyone in and keeps responsibility in the hands of the power brokers.

"They've achieved a lot by having the open ended process that they've had so far," said Parrott, the Fiscal Policy Institute's chief economist. "They should be selective in that there are some people who are trying to glom onto the stage that they've created" with ideas that aren't part of the main movement.

Will Birney, who left his job as a waiter in Westport, Ct., to join Occupy's New York movement, has one wish, although it can't be passed into law or regulated by the Treasury Department.

"I would instill a fair conscience, if people could look to morality," said Birney, 26.

He knows he's reaching, but says that's the point of the movement.

"I'm not even thinking we're going to get concrete solutions out of this," he said. "All I want is a change."

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democracy8 says:
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights." Abraham Lincoln - Republican.
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morriswise says:
Getting a job for over 10 bucks an hour for many is next to impossible. Most bosses expect an Einstein before paying a big salary. The smart guys are coming from India, most have a fake degree but they catch on fast.
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democracy8 replies:
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I live in a small city that is home to an extremely wealthy, top-notch, world-famous university. They were looking for someone to fill a position in their graphics department. They wanted someone with vast experience not only in print, but also in web, coding, etc. (Everything short of speaking Swahili!) Rate of pay? $15/hr. Give me a break!
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14FREEK says:
THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO START. 7

Justices, 5-4, Reject Corporate Spending Limit

By ADAM LIPTAK

Published: January 21, 2010

WASHINGTON — Overruling two important precedents about the First Amendment rights of corporations, a bitterly divided Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that the government may not ban political spending by corporations (which includes international corporations) in candidate elections. Will the Supreme Court's campaign finance decision damage democracy?

The 5-to-4 decision was a vindication, the majority said, of the First
Amendment's most basic free speech principle — that the government has no business regulating political speech. The dissenters said that
allowing corporate money to flood the political marketplace would
corrupt democracy.

Lobbyists Get Potent Weapon in Campaign Ruling (January 22, 2010)
Does Corporate Money Lead to Political Corruption? (January 24, 2010)

{ECONOMYSTIC EXTRAORDINAIRE EDITORIAL COMMENT}
This was the beginning of the END. The Supreme Court ruled that corporations can contribute as much money as they want to any political party, campaign or contender. This started the ball rolling. Even if, as is the revulsion we are witnessing, this could be changed it would literally take an act of congress; however, why would they do that. This ruling put the foxes in charge of the henhouse. In economics we call it an agency problem. Again, this would take legal action to rectify. Do you see THE problem with that?
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democracy8 replies:
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If money were speech, it would mean that some people have more right to speech than others, which is totally contrary to the intention of the Constitution.
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samXXkiley says:
coucou,
the end of sit-in, does not mean the end of the movement, it is only a break because the problems are still there and claims not satisfied
"au revoir"
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Megapril replies:
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More like "sayanora"... The OWS movement has gasped its last breath of public air. Get over it. Or, if you like them so much, maybe you can volunteer your time to go and clean up after them...
democracy8 replies:
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Megapril--keep telling yourself that. I think you'll be in for a bit of a surprise.
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julianpenrod says:
If only because this is precisely what corporate owned politicians to corporate owned "news" venues to corporate thugs themselves recommended, this is not what Occupy should do. Before, they stood for a general principle, which could be applied, as necessary to fit every bizarrely shaped case of abuse that existed. Too, they made use of the freedoms the Constitution provided. Establish a precisely defined system of "demands" and it will be a major step toward thwarting much, if not all, the movement intended! In general, demands are not that detailed. They can leave much wiggle room for a crook to exploit. They open up the door for "loopholes" and "exceptions". They don't generally act to look into the future to see what new connivery of the same type, but not following the same route, the corporate criminals will initiate! An overarching principle will fill the many obtuse forms corporate connivery can take like a liquid flowing into a keyhole; try to use past standardized demands against connivery and it's like pushing a fork through a keyhole, in that it is not the right shape and it doesn't conform itself to the shape! And how unlikely is it that, as soon as they give up utlizing the guarantees of the Constitution, the New World Order will find a way to make it instantly punishable by massive retaliation if they try even a fraction of this again! A next step will be electing leaders, or raising to prominence charimsatic moles that the New World Order has implanted in the movement. They may already be in the movement, responsible for the things that made people annoyed and pushing for the establishment of unified codied demands now! If demonstrators take to public spaces again, and again, and again, and again, standing up for principle, not specific demands, Occupy continues, if they do not, then Occupy has died.
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Megapril replies:
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The fact of the matter is that even if they started the whole movement based on some ideas that absolutely need to be addressed, they failed miserably in their execution and became nothing but a disgusting, filthy mess that hard working taxpayers are now left with cleaning up after. They had no real organization, attracted people of the lowest common denominator with their free clothes and food, and that made it impossible to have any sense of cohesion with their message. Not to mention that some of the messages that did come out sounded like nothing more than more entitlement when we have a nation that is filled with people struggling to make ends meet. It all comes off as sounding extremely selfish and self-serving... They Failed.
democracy8 replies:
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Megapril: So because something isn't perfect at 1st, you just give up on it? Please...
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dogsoul says:
...these Occupy recreational protesters are a joke - a filthy, squatting, socialist, self entitled joke...
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seeker2000 says:
It still is amazing to watch how much affect the OWS has had on our society. Whether you are against or for the OWS movement, it has brought up some really important issues. Free market and capitalism suggests business to freely operate and compete for profit and so if they fail, that's just part of the system. Yet a massive bailout of these companies completely contradicts the idea of capitalism. Now this was a leading cause for this movement to even start. Unfortunately, the movement did become disorganized and all we saw was the few groups within in the movement that were fanatics (Socialists, Nazi's, anarchists and so on.) There is a grotesque difference between the SUPER rich (I'm talking billions here) and the starving family living in their car. Question is, is this a problem? If so, how do we as a society correct this issue? When this country was created, was the idea to allow there to be such a large gap? The U.S. is a nation where people can drive to create a life which tends to their needs (comparatively speaking) but how is that possible when incomes are so widely separated? To get a good paying job one needs to go to school ... but to go to school, one needs to have money ... but they don't have the money to since they don't have a good paying job. It seems as if though instead of a free capitalistic market, we have a catch 22 market. I am thankful to live in this country without a doubt, but, one has to remember that the fundamental drive for humanity is progress. We can't stand still and do nothing since everything is "fine just the way it is."
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EmpireGeorge - I think that is a good point. Instead of focusing on those who simply use the system that they have been provided, why not focus these protests against those who legislate? In any case, I hope that we progress from all of this in some way.
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notparicular says:
The system catches up. Does it not?
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CurtisEFlush says:
Let's see... After you've irritated 99% of the country, trashed more than 100 cities, cost your fellow citizens millions in police and legal costs, and been run out of your illegal encampments.... NOW is the time to come up with an agenda?????

Doesn anyone else think maybe they should have had a idea of what they were protesting BEFORE they decided to start a protest?
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RichZubaty says:
This is a great report. Thanks. I want them all! But if I only get one pick it would have to be: End corporate personhood.
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chatmandu7451 replies:
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Another pathetic koolaide drinker. Read the SCOTUS decision before regurgitating the liberal/progressive/socialist idioctic-isms.
democracy8 replies:
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chatmandu7451: I HAVE read it! It's cr@p!
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