Global Post/ November 2, 2011, 10:05 AM

Occupy protesters: No end goal, no end in sight

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OAKLAND, Calif. - At a recent Occupy march here against police brutality, demonstrators stopped several times along their route to decide which way to go.

At one intersection, it took about 10 minutes of deliberations before the group decided to head through a residential neighborhood.

The Occupy movement in some ways looks a lot like that meandering Oakland march.

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Six weeks after the first protesters planted their flag in New York, Occupy movements across the country are still without a set of demands, an agenda or even a plan for what to do next.

The protesters are the first to admit they're charging ahead without a specific destination in mind. Some worry about the lack of definite goals. But others protesters argue it's too soon to define a young movement with such a diverse group of protesters.

Their lack of a cohesive agenda has raised questions about the fate of the Occupy movement -- especially as temperatures drop, and police attempt to clear away the tent cities.

But in interviews with Occupy members around the country, several said that they're confident the momentum they have already gained -- in part from police crackdowns -- will pull them through. They say they will figure out the rest.

"We can't lose. We're too big to fail," said Shon Kae, an Occupy Oakland organizer.

Either way, for now, the occupiers aren't moving.

Emboldened by police crackdowns

Across the country, police crackdowns have only fueled the Occupy movement, attracting new participants and generating major publicity for the protesters.

In Oakland last week, several thousand marched through the streets the day after police raided two camps and later clashed with protesters amid clouds of tear gas.

At least one protester, Marine veteran Scott Olsen, was seriously injured during that incident. The image of him being carried bleeding through the streets became a rallying point for the movement.

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Olsen was upgraded from critical to fair condition late last week. Keith Shannon, a friend who served in Iraq alongside Olsen, said on Tuesday that supporters would not be providing the media with updates on his condition for the next several days.

The backlash from the violent images of police clashing with protesters amid clouds of teargas was immediate.

Oakland Mayor Jean Quan's legal adviser said he briefly considered resigning over the incident. Protesters demanded her recall and booed her offstage when she tried to speak to them in person.

Quan apologized to the protesters via a video message on Facebook and said they could return to the grassy square outside her city hall office. Just please don't camp overnight, she requested.

The group promptly set up dozens of tents. And a kitchen. And a medical tent. And a children's play area. And an acupuncture station. Police have kept their distance.

In Denver, where police used pepper spray and mace in a confrontation with occupiers over the weekend, protester Jeannie Hartley said the incident has drawn more protesters into the streets.

"I've had people come up to me," Hartley said. "A woman who saw the clashes on TV Saturday afternoon came down with her husband and her children."

After Nashville protesters were arrested by state troopers two nights in a row last week, "people of all stripes have come out of the woodwork in support," said Buck Gorrell of Occupy Nashville.

Gorrell said city council members have lent their support to the movement and live streams of the group's general assembly meetings have been "huge." On a recent night, 4,000 were watching the protests online in anticipation of a police crackdown, he said.

On Monday, a federal judge granted a temporary restraining order requested by the ACLU on behalf of the Nashville protesters, blocking the state from continuing the arrests.

Both Denver and Nashville have carried on with their "occupations."

Goals? What goals?

As the protests continue, there's disagreement over what the long-term goals should be. Occupiers even disagree on whether there should be goals at all.

That's in large part because members' ideas about what the movement should accomplish are as diverse as the members themselves.

Among the demands: legislation to stop foreclosures, an end to police brutality and political corruption, a halt to Medicare and social-security cuts, better access to medical care, a utopia-like world in which prisons do not exist.

In Portland, Ore., protester Matt Denney, a 24-year-old nonprofit worker, said his group is divided on whether to set goals or continue without them. "I think you could see it split into different camps," he said of the Portland movement.

In Occupy Denver, Gettleman said that's not a problem. "I personally believe that it is way too early to state what the end goal of this movement is," he said.

The movement lacks any real structure, such as officers or a voting hierarchy. Protesters decide everything by consensus, sometimes with hundreds or thousands of people present.

That makes the decision-making process unwieldy even for minor issues, such as moving tents. Reaching a consensus on a list of goals -- or whether to set goals -- would be even more complicated.


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noloyalisti says:
This current phase of Occupy is to serve as a warning to the powers that be that the 99% are not going to take what they have been serving up anymore.

They can either do something or they can wait and be forced to do something. Those are their only two choices.
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arthanyel says:
Mainstream media, including the Washington Post, Fox News, and others, are calling the protestors who are occupying Wall Street "anti-capitalist". Even some progressives, like Alan Colmes and Gawker are referring to the protests as "anti-capitalist".

But this is clearly wrong. In fact, calling the protests "anti-capitalist" seems like it is mainly designed to discredit the protests by painting them as anti-free enterprise and anti-free markets. But if we actually had free markets, would we have felt the need to bail out banks and huge multi-national corporations? Or would CEO have received huge bonuses even though their companies lost money and laid off employees?

As Nobel Laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz pointed out at a teach-in at the site of the occupation, it is not capitalism when you socialize losses and privatize gains. Nor is it capitalism when corporations have more political power than real people.

If you don't get it, Douglas Rushkoff explains what is important about the Occupy Wall Street protests and why the mainstream media is clueless at http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/opinion/rushkoff-occupy-wall-street/
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beamerm says:
Guardians of the status quo, (you are about 40% of the population by temperament typing). The 60%(Rationals, Idealists and Artisans) are in the process of making some overdue societal adjustments. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. However; after the appropriate ethical upgrades have been made, we fully intend that you resume you vital role in running an protecting our laws and institutions. So fear ye not... but please, we of the 99% are in need of some fightin' room.
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arthanyel replies:
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LOL nicely said!

I particularly the "societal upgrades" metaphor.
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myabc123 says:
here are a few goals I'd like to see come out of this.

A real investigation of the financial disaster that took place in 2008 and is still reverberating. How is possible that no one has gone to jail for that?

No tax breaks or bailout money for companies that send American jobs overseas just to increase the bottom line.
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arthanyel replies:
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#1 is one of the top consensus concerns for Occupy Wall Street.

#2 is less so as they are not as focus on American job creation other than as a byproduct of the creaiton of the great wealth inequality. But your point is well taken, there should be some actions to incentivize companies to keep jobs here.
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drbob232 says:
Like our Congress has an "end goal"? Pray tell, what is it?
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noloyalisti replies:
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The end goal of the 99% is to sweep out any and all politicians who do not meet their 20 demands. And I know that will work because there is hardly one American who was not damaged by the Top 1% who own and run the government at this point.
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noloyalisti says:
The brainless morons who wrote this call themselves journalists? OMG LMAO! I guess they do not know about the Occupy Declaration to demand the Congress, President and Supreme Court to meet 20 demands or they will be swept out. And there is no doubt that the 99% will wind this thing. Last time I checked 99% was more than 1%.
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LeeMurphy255 says:
According to a report in the Daily Rash, Ron Paul visited the Occupy Wall Street demonstration over the weekend and handed out LSD to the protesters. No wonder they don't want to leave. http://www.thedailyrash.com/ron-paul-hands-out-lsd-to-occupy-wall-street-protesters
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noloyalisti replies:
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Ron Paul, the idiot who hated government but has worked his entire life for them. Typical Republicon!
arthanyel replies:
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Almost certainly untrue, a presidential candidate would not commit an overt felony on the record. And not that many OWS protestors would accept it anyway.
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nc91 says:
I suggest for a start, an end to corruption in our government-no lobbyists, no corporate funding of elections etc.
Should be easyO and cheap!
Or is honesty impossible?
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arthanyel replies:
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It would be a good start. Honesty is impossible, and corruption will always exist, but just because weeds will always grow in your garden doesn't mean you should intentionally plant them or give them fertilizer.
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bjoh249 says:
TechAddiction456, arthanyel is right, as long as these protestors are left wing protestors they have their 1st Amendment rights. They start protesting for conservative causes then they automatically become racists who don't deserve any free speech right.
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Ganon1 replies:
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Left-right, right-left, blah, blah blah.

You have an army of lobbyists and "think tanks" in your pocket?

Then you aren't really being represented anymore. That's a fact, jack.

There are all sorts of folks occupying. Libertarians, liberals, conservatives, anarchists, non-political types, and so on.

Mostly they are folks who can't hire an army of personal lobbyists to craft legislation for them.
arthanyel replies:
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bjoh24e9: Put false words in my mouth again and the next thing you'll get is served with a slander complaint. These protestors are not "left wing protestors" and I never said they were. And I never suggested that thee is any difference in rights between people based on politics.

Conservatives, liberals and everyone in between enjoy all the unalienable rights we have anacted. That's why you are allowed to post your drivel - you also have the right of free speech.
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bjoh249 says:
Artanyal, I guess another Ponzi scheme by famous fraudster Bernie Maddoff who gave millions of dollars to DEMOCRAT campaigns and causes.
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arthanyel replies:
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Well, Madoff did contribute to buy influence in Washington although his contributions averaged less than $20,000 a year, which barely buys you two seats at a good fund raising dinner so I guess he wasnt getting much traction.

And OWS is not a Ponzi scheme, nor is taxation a Ponzi scheme, so whats your point?
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