December 12, 2011 6:52 PM

Pollution from China alters weather in U.S. West

By
John Blackstone
(CBS News) 

A U.N. conference on climate change ended Sunday without a major deal to cut toxic emissions. No country emits more carbon dioxide than China -- a byproduct of its booming economy. And, as CBS News correspondent John Blackstone reports, those Chinese emissions are having a big impact in the U.S.

Chinese officials insist the murky air over Beijing this month is just fog. But measurements taken at the U.S. embassy there show dangerously high levels of air pollution -- so bad that traffic has been disrupted and flights have been delayed or cancelled.

"It's no longer just their problem; it's our problem," said Kim Prather of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.

Prather studies atmospheric chemistry. CBS News met her at a scientific conference in San Francisco, where she was presenting research that shows what's in the air over China can affect the weather in America.

"The atmosphere has no walls," she said. "So pollution on this side of the world can make it the other side of the world in about five days."

The Chinese pollution is carried by the jet stream across the Pacific. In the atmosphere over this country, it can stop the clouds from producing rain and snow.

In general, Prather said, the equation is more pollution equals less precipitation.

The particles of air pollution from China collect moisture in the clouds. But the particles are so small and numerous they don't get heavy enough to fall as rain or snow. So the water stays in the clouds.

But while flying over California collecting atmospheric samples, Prather found something else from China that may make up for much of that lost rain. It's dust -- from huge storms in China's vast deserts.

Because of their chemical makeup and larger size, those dust particles do collect enough moisture to make rain and snow.

"We found that wherever there was dust, there was ice," Prather said. "And then below us was snow."

Understanding the factors that influence California's rain and snow is important because what falls in the mountains is the main water source for most of the state's 37 million people.

"We're working with the weather guys to try and see this climate-weather link with pollution," Prather said. "It's a complex problem."

By unraveling those complexities, Prather's research could improve the accuracy of weather forecasting -- explaining why some clouds just blow over while others produce snow storms.

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by Paul Camp December 15, 2011 9:07 AM EST
Please remember that a lot of your pointless goods purchased are made in China - Walmart contributes INDIRECTLY to huge amounts of Carbon Emissions as it outsources to China which burns lots of fossil fuels and energy production at some thermal power plants is not as efficient as US plants. US consumers only have themselves to blame!
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by tomtom7876 December 13, 2011 7:24 PM EST
We need to re-lable this from "global warming" to Gore-Bull warming. This is but the fantasy of numerous liberals. There has simply been no global warming for the past ten 14 years.

http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c015434d1a804970c-pi

And virtually no seasurface warming since the early 1040s
The source here is NOAA.. the US weather agency since 1807.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/ersst/visersst.php?img=ersst.1880.mon.png

The significance of this is that 90% of all man made CO2 was created after 1940. So,if CO2 is driving global warming, why is it not showing in the sea surface temperatures?
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by netjunkie1 December 13, 2011 10:18 PM EST
The seas are acidifying keeping temperature constant.
by rainbowroosie December 13, 2011 12:11 PM EST
I highly recommend all view the classic movie "Soylent Green." After that, focus your rage on china, BY FAR the greatest polluter in the world.
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by Michael_Sexton December 13, 2011 10:28 AM EST
It looked good on paper.
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by karek40 December 13, 2011 8:12 AM EST
What did you think would happen, we restrict with government regulations our manufacturers and China has no restrictions, the manufacturers all go there and we still get the pollution without the jobs. Hmmm our greenees and elected officials are really smart.
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by RunsWithWolves December 13, 2011 7:52 AM EST
The Chinese have become a disgusting nation of capitalist cheats. They now have a culture of ripping copyrighted stuff off.......dumping vast amounts of illegal goods....into the marketplace. I just heard a story on NPR this am about how the Chinese dump cheap honey on the US market driving US beekeepers out of business. The US responded by putting really high tariffs on Chinese honey. Now the Chinese have been routing the honey through other countries like Taiwan, Vietnam and others to avoid American restrictions. Then, when US official caught them doing that, the Chinese started using India to channel the illegal honey into the US. They have even gone so far as to mix native grown Indian flowers into their honey to make it seem like Indian honey. After hearing that story, I have started to hate the Chinese because they have consistently demonstrated they have zero respect for laws and will stop at nothing to sell their stuff. And to think for 30 years we kept renewing "most favored nation trading status" with those crooks and pirates. And we let them sink us? Remember the old saying from 50+ years ago how you could always trust a Chinese to be honest? Boy did they flip flop on that one!
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by PitsMcgoo December 13, 2011 6:26 AM EST
California used to be so nice before all the Chinese rain and snow ruined it. I think I'll sue.
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by ahrats December 13, 2011 5:22 AM EST
Who elected you GOD? So you figured out weather please let the rest of us in on the secret. Air traveling across oceans does not pick up water? Local climate has more to due if it rains or not in that area. Yes warm air can hold more moisture then cold air, so if there is no COLD air present, then no mositure can precipate out of clouds. California is load with lots of hot air from it's local polution, all those cars running around, just like Bejing.
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by GeneSmith44 December 13, 2011 4:36 AM EST
Thanks to ignorant liberals at the UN, China gets a pass because they were too ignorant to join the industrial revolution for the past 100 years. So, they get the next 100 years to do as they please. LOL Liberals are such morons.
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by fedup12 December 13, 2011 5:31 AM EST
dude.... You need to relax. Maybe take a valium. I think you are wound a little tight.
by GeneSmith44 December 13, 2011 5:56 AM EST
FEDUP - Only an idiot would say that. You chill out and go back to your bong!
by MADDAT52 December 13, 2011 2:44 AM EST
I have to give China a little credit for being at least a bit more part of the global community than they were when I was a young person.
They have found what we had and they are just outdoing us at doing what we did best.
Compete globally and win first, and address environmental incompatibilities as it becomes affordable.
We are going down in flames here while China is lighting the fire of a industrial revolution.
Poor ignorant liberals are just giving it all away.
We will end up slaves as a result of the left wing failed policies and ignorance regarding economics and power.
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by GeneSmith44 December 13, 2011 4:39 AM EST
Ummm not even close. They are the new CHEAP slave labor market. Try and use a little common sense and intelligence. All they do is put together OURS and Europe's products. It's cheaper to send it all the way to China then to pay our mafia union wages.
by chanley54 December 13, 2011 7:19 AM EST
One would think that there would be a happy medium between "slave Labor" and "Mafia Union Wages"...
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