The murder of an American Nazi

Soccio: I think he had everything physically in place that it didn't take much to bring him along to thinking that murder's appropriate.

Stahl: So he was born the match, and that environment and that home lit the match. Is that a fair way to say it?

Soccio: I think it's a very fair way to say it.

Jeff's mother got custody of his four little girls, because his wife pled guilty to leaving a loaded gun in the house. And every week Patterson visits her son's young killer in juvenile hall.

Patterson: It's a struggle every day of my life. Because my son was murdered and I want justice for him.

Stahl: Yeah.

Patterson: But only at the ex-- that only happens at the expense of my grandson.

Stahl: What about politics with these children? Do you feel any obligation to teach them about Nazis?

Patterson: They're being raised conservative Republican. We need more of those in California.

Stahl: But what about Nazism?

Patterson: It's gone, for this family.

Joseph awaits trial, incarcerated at the county's juvenile hall, where he celebrated his eleventh birthday. Whatever his sentence, he will likely be released by the age of 25.

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[MikeH0001]

Randomly browsing wikipedia led me to this article. I have to say I've never seen a more shoddy attempt at journalism before in my life.

Not that I condone Hall's views in anyway whatsoever(it's pathetic that I even have to say that), but it's obvious that the writer is desperately trying to blame the behavior of the burgeoning sociopath that is Hall's 10 year old son on his father's political ideology, when it's blatantly clear to anyone with half a brain that this isn't the case at all.

Joe Hall was killed by his son because his son is a sociopath - and that Joe apparently was a depressed alcoholic that employed violence, Nazism had absolutely nothing to do with it.

The thing that bugs me most is how the journalist is just so obvious about how she desperately wants a family member to come out and say 'yes it was all the fault of the evil nazi stuff!' when that isn't the case. Reading it made me cringe several times, it's completely pathetic and totally demeaning to any journalist that actually takes their profession seriously.

[samknows2]

Um... Mike - How can you put down the journalist about the story when you didn't pay enough attention to what you were reading to realize the father's name was JEFF not JOE. Jeff's son may have been a sociopath however his dad, JEFF, taught him how to shoot a gun, utilize night vision, and took him out on "boarder patrol" where an individual could have been shot. The education he was being provided illustrated only "certain" types of people deserve respect.

The total blame can't be put on Jeff - he didn't pull the trigger; however if you teach a child a human life has no value you can't expect that child to understand murder is wrong.

[LeidyB]

Was I the only one that caught that active participants of the organization have run for government positions? 11 or so.. 6 didn't get elected. I'd like to see a story on that. Racism is a given everywhere. Shouldn't we be concerned that active members of such a biased group are seeking roles that have a profound affect on our country? I guess I'm being naive or I misunderstood that part of the report.

[AryanGraphicDesigns]

3 TIMES ..... REALLY CBS ?????
Again My comment was deleted by the BIGOTS of CBS.AGAIN not one racial slur or derogatory comment made about people of color.
I guess so much for freedom of speech for people with contrary views.
Well have you time in the SUN. National Socialism is on the RISE.

[baldwinsghost]

So I don't get it, this story wasn't about a 10 year old hero?

[JeffsSister]

I do find it disappointing that the story focused on poverty as the sole reason for Jeff's involvement with the NSM, which was not entirely the case at all. But moreover I found it disappointing that the story of his death is still linked with a lot of talk about the NSM, which had nothing to do with it. He was a very public figure, so I understand what sells (everything I had tried to hide from for the last 3 years), but the NSM had nothing to do with his death, only possibly caused it to occur sooner because he got lazy with his guns. He wanted to keep them out to defend his family against those who may not like his politics - his wife is short and his kids are tall so they were reaching a point where he was going to make a cabinet for them - a little too late for that now. Joe was always Joe as a result of early abuse in multiple forms, not by my brother. -By somebody we are trying to keep out of his life who he hates far more than the temporary hate he may have had for his dad that night.

And I am disappointed that my mom was shed in such a right-wing position when the truth is (though she is stubborn and wouldn't admit it) that she is libertarian. We are all very liberal socially, and conservative financially, with varying views in between that to somehow make those conflicting ideologies work.

I won't say my brother was a saint - but the monster you read and hear about was only that way for the past 3 years and nowhere near as exaggerated as many of the tall tales you hear in other pieces. He was an incredible father before that, and even often during that time. Quite literally, it was like a complete 180 in him. My family is an average middle-class, educated, friendly, loving group of people. Jeff was an anomaly, and he felt that way as well since most of us kept our distance once we found out what he had gotten into. We hoped it would be a bad phase, because that's what Jeff did - went through many phases. Since stubbornness runs in the family, we waited it out rather than drive him away and cause worse problems. We waited to his death, unfortunately. The detective mentioned Joe's statement that he wanted to "end this whole father son thing" which is very leading considering in reality Joe has made several other statements to his reasoning that night and I'm not even entirely sure which one is true, despite visiting him almost weekly.

I agree with kittylowrey below - there are a lot of complex topics in my family history (which were interviewed on, but not included in the piece) and perhaps there wasn't enough time to elaborate on them all, but the final word was a bit surfaced and almost malicious relative to what little was included in the piece.

[samknows2]

Thank you for the insight beyond that reported. It's an extremely sad reality; one that didn't need to play out the way it did. I don't know how many people have made it through childhood without being abused in some form; physically, sexually, mentally... It seems this incident happened because many different experiences in Joe's life came together in one brief moment - a moment of action.

Based on the story along with the information you've provided above it seems only logical there were many influences that lead to Joe's actions. The fact that he was abused in some manner that you desire not to disclose, the fact that he was physically abused by Jeff, the fact that he sat in meetings where the value of a human life was made to be nothing more than race and religion and the fact that only one of these can be seen. He was taught how to fire a weapon, he was taken on "boarder patrols" fully armed and ready to kill if necessary. I understand, from the story, he was thrown out of several schools for altercations with teachers and students; he even tried to strangle one teacher. How can a child understand this behavior isn't acceptable if he's being taught you don't have to respect certain people? How can he understand the value of life if he's taught that some lives have no value?

My children are Florida Gator fans - not because they attended the University of Florida but because I'm a Gator fan. From the time they were little I watched Florida football and cheered for the Gators. My children grew up with this and thereby they are Gators too. I don't believe this was all Jeff's fault - however I do believe his teachings and the social organization that he brought into his home were significant contributors to his death.

[CurtisJasper]

"Stahl: What about politics with these children? Do you feel any obligation to teach them about Nazis?

Patterson: They're being raised conservative Republican. We need more of those in California."

The good news is that it shouldn't be too difficult a transition in ideologies.

[angelofurnightmare]

I just love that the idiots in the american nazi group want a white nation...in truth this should really be a brown nation because it was rightfully the property of native americans...not whites...i hate that a child felt compelled to kill his father but I personally feel we are better off without him. I am a white woman who believes in freedom...and equality...its what american is founded on...so if you want to be an intolerant ignorant ass thats also ur right

[Sir-vivin]

This a complicated story because it tried to make sense of senseless violence. Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Jeff's wife is spending time in jail for the his revolver being loaded? What is the point of having this kind of 'protection', if it isn't loaded? Is Jeff's wife a victim of Jeff and the system?

[MVG59]

It's too bad the family couldn't get the pschological help their child needed. It must be because all doctors are Jewish. Good riddance to him.

[katounge]

You report that only eight 10-year olds have killed their fathers since 1980. Interesting statistics from CBS News Interview of Kathleen M. Heide, Ph.D., Professor of Criminology at the University of South Florida. (CBS)http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/10/48hours/main6383938.shtml
"...For example, in 2008, 14,180 people were murdered in the U.S., according to FBI data. Of these, 117 were mothers and 120 were fathers slain by their biological children. These 337 victims represent about 2 percent of all individuals killed during that year. ......My analyses of thousands of parricides cases since the mid 1970s has revealed that approximately one out of four fathers (25 percent) and one out of six mothers (16 percent) who are killed by their offspring are killed by children under 18. ..."